The Bush Tax cuts...

[HellzMindPlaya]

Looks like the bill is now going on to our Fearless Leader... Good. They tossed in there a thing that will lower Social security taxes next year too! If you make $50k you will end up saving about $1000 in social security taxes.

[markseven]

It's too basic. It assumes everyone is paid what they are worth. In fact, compensation is extraordinarily arbitrary.

When an entry-level commercial pilot who has lots of schooling to pay for and 50 lives in his or her hands every time they go to work makes in a year what a major league baseball pitcher makes per pitch, it says something about what we as a society value.

I definine my own market value, and the market itself decides what it will bear.

[Ryan Stewart]

It's too basic. It assumes everyone is paid what they are worth. In fact, compensation is extraordinarily arbitrary.

When an entry-level commercial pilot who has lots of schooling to pay for and 50 lives in his or her hands every time they go to work makes in a year what a major league baseball pitcher makes per pitch, it says something about what we as a society value.

There is nothing arbitrary about that. The pitcher brings considerably more value to his employer than the pilot does to his. Its sad but its true. In any given game hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue can be riding on that pitch. Asses in the seats, advertising revenue, etc. The cost of that single pitch can be spread out over all of that and still be profitable. So how much do you think 120 seats on a plane would have bring in on revenue to be able to pay pilots $50k a flight?

On a side note every single person I actually know who uses the argument that its a shame we pay atheletes so much were part of the "Im with Coco" facebook group shitting on NBC and saying he deserved his 44mil in severance. Which is a shit-ton more than all of these golden parachutes that people complain about CEOs getting.

[e30e]

There is nothing arbitrary about that. The pitcher brings considerably more value to his employer than the pilot does to his. Its sad but its true. In any given game hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue can be riding on that pitch. Asses in the seats, advertising revenue, etc. The cost of that single pitch can be spread out over all of that and still be profitable. So how much do you think 120 seats on a plane would have bring in on revenue to be able to pay pilots $50k a flight?

On a side note every single person I actually know who uses the argument that its a shame we pay atheletes so much were part of the "Im with Coco" facebook group shitting on NBC and saying he deserved his 44mil in severance. Which is a shit-ton more than all of these golden parachutes that people complain about CEOs getting.

A-fucking-men

[mrsleeve]

There is nothing arbitrary about that. The pitcher brings considerably more value to his employer than the pilot does to his. Its sad but its true. In any given game hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue can be riding on that pitch. Asses in the seats, advertising revenue, etc. The cost of that single pitch can be spread out over all of that and still be profitable. So how much do you think 120 seats on a plane would have bring in on revenue to be able to pay pilots $50k a flight?

On a side note every single person I actually know who uses the argument that its a shame we pay atheletes so much were part of the "Im with Coco" facebook group shitting on NBC and saying he deserved his 44mil in severance. Which is a shit-ton more than all of these golden parachutes that people complain about CEOs getting.

Winner

[mar1t1me]

There is nothing arbitrary about that. The pitcher brings considerably more value to his employer than the pilot does to his. Its sad but its true.

Hmmm.....It costs airlines lots of money when a pilot fucks up. A serious crash costs a plane and possibly hundreds of lives, not to the ripple effects the loss of those lives has on thousands of other people, and lastly, the public's perception of the safety of the airline itself. Many millions of dollars out the window. The American crash in the Bronx in 2001 (not 9/11 related) cost over $600M.

A pitcher fucks up and..... does anyone die? Anyone even lose a limb? No. Even a really great hitter misses 7/10 of the pitches thrown at him. I'd like to see how long a pilot around here would last if he missed even 1/10 of his carrier landings......

On a side note every single person I actually know who uses the argument that its a shame we pay atheletes so much were part of the "Im with Coco" facebook group shitting on NBC and saying he deserved his 44mil in severance. Which is a shit-ton more than all of these golden parachutes that people complain about CEOs getting.

You just found one that isn't. Over-paid is over-paid regardless of profession. Let me know when Conan has to sell a house, or work as a greeter at Walmart to make ends meet.

Sports figures and late-night talk show hosts aren't exactly contributing to the betterment of society in any meaningful way. I don't recall hearing of a linebacker curing any diseases lately....

And since when is $44M a "shit-ton more than" $53M? And that's just one guy! He gets his, but the shareholders get fucked.

[Bill 84 318i]

boy it doesnt get any more basic than this. nobody in their right mind can argue against this

As with most overly simplified statements in political discussions...

I'll also simplify. Power, unchecked, is dangerous. Whether it's business or government, there's an argument to be made that too much on either side is a scary thing. I think that the discussion that should be taking place is whether it's the 'elite' that should be kept in check (these days, taxes seems to be the controversial topic) or government (since money makes the world go 'round, so taxes again), aren't we all (assuming we're lower/middle) kinda in the same boat?

There are arguments to be made that big business is dependent upon the lower/middle, but isn't government subject to the same? How do we get what we want without playing to either side?

Maybe that is the discussion. Maybe y'all are trying to point to where the line should be drawn...it's all just so hyperbolic that it's hard to figure out what you're saying. But in a way, it's a good problem to have.

[Ryan Stewart]

Hmmm.....It costs airlines lots of money when a pilot fucks up. A serious crash costs a plane and possibly hundreds of lives, not to the ripple effects the loss of those lives has on thousands of other people, and lastly, the public's perception of the safety of the airline itself. Many millions of dollars out the window. The American crash in the Bronx in 2001 (not 9/11 related) cost over $600M.

A pitcher fucks up and..... does anyone die? Anyone even lose a limb? No. Even a really great hitter misses 7/10 of the pitches thrown at him. I'd like to see how long a pilot around here would last if he missed even 1/10 of his carrier landings......



You just found one that isn't. Over-paid is over-paid regardless of profession. Let me know when Conan has to sell a house, or work as a greeter at Walmart to make ends meet.

Sports figures and late-night talk show hosts aren't exactly contributing to the betterment of society in any meaningful way. I don't recall hearing of a linebacker curing any diseases lately....

And since when is $44M a "shit-ton more than" $53M? And that's just one guy! He gets his, but the shareholders get fucked.

If you make some old broads coffee too hot then Starbucks could be sued for $2million but they dont pay your ass $2million do they? No, they pay you $9.50 because that is all you are worth day to day. Its just how it is. Dont like that pitchers make more, dont support baseball.

Fine, you found one CEO who was contracted with a 3 million annual pension. The rest everyone was bitching about on CNN got like 1-2mil for their ETF (which is what conan had). And again, that asshole had a bigger impact than anyone else on the company, they contracted to him what they thought would be value he brought.

[joshh]

mar1t1me...

Share holders rarely ever get fucked unless the Government steps in (Think GM) or the company goes under. You should be complaining about the share holders because they are the ones who put pressure on the company to make them more money.

If we do as you're thinking many companies would flat go out of business. Unless you expect the Government to be the one to dole out who makes what. We both know that wouldn't work. So let the free market be the free market.

[87e30]

the only thing we can all agree on is that the government needs to spend less money.

Why not compromise and cut spending on every single thing? Then no one can bitch more than the other.

I think people have a mentality that government spending doesn't matter, even the simple things. Spread that out over millions of people and there is a problem.

[Massive Lee]

^^^Cut spending is the obvious solution. You can compare how many employees it take to perform a service with what is done elsewhere. Then evaluate if conditions are similar and then take a hard decision... Cut off people.

Then what about all the subsides? Oil companies, corn farmers etc, reseachers, social support groups. Which ones will you cut?

Start by stopping NASA programs (who need space reseach anyway?), warfares in the Middle East, military bases in Germany... etc. Where do you cut?

Deciding where to cut obviously becomes quickly ideological. And everybody will have to say things against and pro...

Why not cut tax cuts to the rich and wealthy people to start with? ;-) Only reply if you make $250k + yearly.

[gwb72tii]

good idea lee
the only thing that has worked to boost the economy is

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[Vedubin01]

How about only American Citizens respond to this thread.......

What has space research brought us?


Instant television
Since Telstar, the first television satellite in 1962, viewers have watched events almost as they unfolded - from the assassination of President Kennedy to the terrorist assault on the twin towers in New York.

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Navigation
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Fuel cells
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The environment
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Medical health
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Robotics
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Materials
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Laptops
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Weapons
Wernher von Braun's V2 rocket was the first thing to reach the edge of space. It changed warfare just as dramatically as it changed the peace.

[Massive Lee]

How about only American Citizens respond to this thread.......

How about cocksuckers shut the fuck up an keep on sucking dicks?

BTW If you want to make US-only threads, please consult moderators instead being the usual prick.

[Vedubin01]

How about cocksuckers shut the fuck up an keep on sucking dicks?

BTW If you want to make US-only threads, please consult moderators instead being the usual prick.

Its amazing what you are able to type with a dick in your mouth...


You bash capitalism as you peddle your Chi-Parts on this forum. You are the biggest hypocrite here. Go back to DU.com and spread your hate there!


You were trying to make it a $250k a year only thread, so why not only hear from those that pay taxes in the States! Douchebag!