Ahh yes, one of THOSE church vans

[Eecen]

:pIn the end, unless you have done all the research YOURSELF, you have faith in a text book. Sorry, sucker.

The irony is rich?

[cale]

He is an all powerful, omnipresent God. To some it may appear to lack the same details as yours does; Where did the molecules come from? What set about that change in energy to create spontaneous life? Though you may not believe it, even being an atheist takes faith.

Hahaha, I love this approach.

"what, our god? Well he created himself silly! Our book says so! Wait what, you claim the matter was always there? That can't be, matter can't create itself cause science says so"

The hypocrisy is so overwhelming it's hard to fathom how so many people can be deluded by it.

[FunfGan]

In fact, at least "Science" does testing, and experiments.


What the fuck have religions ever done to prove they were right???

Write a book?
Go on crusades?
Kill people?
Jihad?
etc

Again, you're ignoring the many proof texts that, while unrelated, provide evidence for every bit of the Bible.

[FunfGan]

Hahaha, I love this approach.

"what, our god? Well he created himself silly! Our book says so! Wait what, you claim the matter was always there? That can't be, matter can't create itself cause science says so"

The hypocrisy is so overwhelming it's hard to fathom how so many people can be deluded by it.

Ok, so that stills makes as little sense as, Oh! well, we just waited a long time and all of a sudden a bunch of acid bases appeared!

My reason(and as you said), faith is necessary only when there is a lack of evidence.


Also, 2 mins ago your were tearing us apart for having "faith", then in that post you were acting like we have full evidence... The Bible doesn't provide the answers, hence faith. Science hasn't provided all your answers, hence your need for faith.

[cale]

You have books that prove genesis to be true? I'd love to read that one!

You may not realize this, but a lot of what is found in science is not incontestable fact. It's the big bang theory, not the big bang law. It's the theory of evolution, not the law of evolution. A lot of which you seem to think science tries to pass as factual is indeed just theory, and no on in the scientific community contests that. Theories are supported by evidence and peer revision, however they're constantly being updated and occasionally thrown out when newer more up to date and precise evidence is brought forth. That's the difference between science and religion, to be a scientist you have to be willing accept defeat. To be religious you have to be willing to die for faith.

[FunfGan]

Dead Sea scrolls provide parallels to "made up" stories in the Bible. There are others I can recall if you'd like.

[markseven]

Dude.


Religion(s) is/are just as much of a theory as "Science"

Don't try that bullshit "who" created them with me, the way you word it again shows me how warped and deluded you are. You've already concluded a who is necessary, there is no sense even arguing. I don't claim to have knowledge of how the first matter came into existence, a much more reasonable stance than a supernatural entity capable of creating an entire universe.



The world didn't just explode into existence, it formed as a result of BILLIONS of years of stellar activity. Again, theists try to make scientific theories seem as though we're claiming A = Z and ignoring the 24 steps necessary to get to Z. Over simplifying because simple minds cannot comprehend otherwise.

My proofs can be found in the Universities and Colleges around the world which have made your life as comfy as it is. They have these things called libraries with these ancient texts known as books, you should try to operate one sometime. Careful though, the edges can be sharp.

Faith is only required when evidence is absent. Just because you're forced to rely on it doesn't mean everyone else is.

Look in the mirror, reread your posts, transpose my posts for yours.

The irony is rich?

It is, isn't it? Cale and chewbacca trying to sell the fairytale.

[Eecen]

Again, you're ignoring the many proof texts that, while unrelated, provide evidence for every bit of the Bible.

Like Zombie jesus?
That Mary was a virgin?
God?
Water = wine?
Walking on water?
Adam and Eve?
etc


I don't doubt that the "bible", whichever version or rendition you prefer, is based lightly on fact. Lightly I say.

Treat your neighbor with respect, don't kill people

Some big flood that happened ages ago.
Some shit that happened in Eqypt



The fact is over time thing, stories get distorted. Have you ever played the game in school where everyone sits in a circle and one person whispers something into so,someones ear, and by the time it gets back to the first person whatever they initially said sounds nothing like what gets whispered into their ear?

Same deal here. Stories get exaggerated. Things get said to make certain people look better. Whos going to argue? They're ignorant peasants that are listening to stories from 100s of years ago.





Also correct me if I am wrong but, the first written bible was created centuries after Hey'zeus died.

[Eecen]

It is, isn't it? Cale and chewbacca trying to sell the fairytale.

No you accusing them of blindly believing their Scientific theories, while simultaneously blindly believing in god.



There is NO solid proof for either.

[markseven]

The irony is rich?

Seriously, did you read all of the posts? How did this discussion start, was it a Christian poking fun at an atheist? ;)

[Sample UF]

LoL, you guys are funny.





Why is it that "we" as a species can't accept that we will never truly understand how everything came to...exist. I truly doubt we can ever prove 100% how things happened. Creationism, or big bang, or evolution. They're all a little out there.

Why is everyone soo...scared... to admit they don't have the answer, and will never truly know that answer?

Why does there have to be some "god" character pulling strings? It sounds just as ridiculous as a big explosion happening out of a vacuum.




Religion was originally created/conceived/whateverthefuckyouwanacallit out of fear. Fear of the unknown, what happens when we die, where did we come from blah blah blah. And I'm talking Pre-Christianity/Islam/etc. When we started worshiping the sun and animals because it was what gave us everything...then big organized religions poped up and fucked everything up. This is where most "atheists" get their "hate'ing ammo"

Religion might have, and may still teach good core values etc to people. But WHY THE FUCK do you have to be threatened with things like hell (whatever a muslim version of that is?..I don't know islam, or christianity all of too well) to get good behavior??? WHY can't people just act nicely to each other because its the right thing to do? Isn't right and wrong obvious?



Accept your not in complete control of your life. You don't know everything. And you don't need to know everything.

+1 million.

[markseven]

No you accusing them of blindly believing their Scientific theories, while simultaneously blindly believing in god.



There is NO solid proof for either.

Dude, I am tolerant. Check out the atheists in this thread and then judge me.

[markseven]

+1 million.

Aaaaaaand, you've got nothing to say.

[Eecen]

Seriously, did you read all of the posts? How did this discussion start, was it a Christian poking fun at an atheist? ;)

No, you got me I didn't read everything on the first pages.

I'll go do that now...my opinion still stand though.

[cale]

Dude, I am tolerant. Check out the atheists in this thread and then judge me.

Tolerant yet ignorant, and think your completely inadequate understandings of scientific theories give you the knowledge necessary to debunk them.