Occupy Wall Street

[mar1t1me]

Those CEO's spent their school career taking advantage of the free start to their education, then spent eight more in school they paid for to put them in a place to decide whether or not the hours you spend making minimum wage at one of the four hundred Arby's they are responsible for is worth the investment.

We can't all be CEO's now can we?

I mean, our whole educational system is made to turn out happy middle class consumers who can man the factories and become middle managers....

[mrsleeve]

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Right I think the point was we all make our way and have that opportunity to make it that far. Its called personal responsibility

[Dozyproductions]

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Right I think the point was we all make our way and have that opportunity to make it that far.

not everyone has the opportunity to make it that far. In essence yes but in reality, no. Just like we all have the opportunity to reach the age of 60 but it only takes one car crash.

[mrsleeve]

not everyone has the opportunity to make it that far. In essence yes but in reality, no. Just like we all have the opportunity to reach the age of 60 but it only takes one car crash.

Really they dont????????????????????

That used to be the core belief that everything great (and no so great but you have to take the good with the bad) about this country hinged upon.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Declaration of Independence


We are afforded and equal chance to make something of our selves from birth, our circumstance in life dont negate that fact. Yes some are afforded a better shot due to family stature and so on, just as some have the deck stacked against them for the same reasons.

Look at our current POTUS born to a self proclaimed hippy white lady and Nigerian communist who ran off as soon as he was born. Or Republican hopefull Cain born into relative poverty to a cleaning woman and a chauffeur. Made it to become a CEO of a large nation wide pizza chain and bring it back from the brink of failure. and possibly make a run for President.

those are just 2 examples of people pulling them selves outta the shit heaps of their life's humble beginnings to become oh so much more thanks to the paragraph above.

Dont feed me that line that not everyone has an opportunity to do something with them selves.in their life. We are afforded equal opportunity not equal results

[Farbin Kaiber]

Find a way or make a way, anyone who isn't willing to try won't get an ounce of pity from me. You are not given opportunity, you either make it, or earn it.

[Dozyproductions]

Really they dont????????????????????

That used to be the core belief that everything great (and no so great but you have to take the good with the bad) about this country hinged upon.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Declaration of Independence


We are afforded and equal chance to make something of our selves from birth, our circumstance in life dont negate that fact. Yes some are afforded a better shot due to family stature and so on, just as some have the deck stacked against them for the same reasons.

Look at our current POTUS born to a self proclaimed hippy white lady and Nigerian communist. Or Republican hopefull Cain born into relative poverty to a cleaning woman and a chauffeur. Made it to become a CEO of a large nation wide pizza chain and bring it back from the brink of failure. and possibly make a run for President.

those are just 2 examples of people pulling them selves outta the shit heaps of their life's humble beginnings to become oh so much more thanks to the paragraph above.

Dont feed me that line that not everyone has an opportunity to do something with them selves.in their life. We are afforded equal opportunity not equal results

yeah you forget that we don't have a physical frontier anymore or that we aren't living in an agrarian society anymore. Can we really have 300 million+ CEO's? Opportunity and reality don't go hand in hand with this one, its simple socio economics.

Just because im saying this doesn't mean for one second that some how I'm not going to carry the can do attitude to further better myself, its just accepting reality.


Oh yeah, not all men are created equal. That's arbitrary.

[mrsleeve]

yeah you forget that we don't have a physical frontier anymore or that we aren't living in an agrarian society anymore. Can we really have 300 million+ CEO's? Opportunity and reality don't go hand in hand with this one, its simple socio economics.

Of course not everyone can be a CEO, but have you considered not everyone wants to be a CEO?? I sure as fuck dont, nor dose anyone I know. Not because its an unrealistic goal but because its not something I want to do with my life.

CEO was used as just an example, and while the success rate of getting there may be some what low, those striving to get there even though they ultimately fail make a much better and more productive life for themselves than if they had never tried, there by doing good for them selves, families and businesses they work for. Which is good for all of us.

Whats that old saying......Its better to have tried and failed, than to never have tried at all...............................

Just because im saying this doesn't mean for one second that some how I'm not going to carry the can do attitude to further better myself, its just accepting reality.

Good see, you already accept the fact that you are afforded the same opportunity as anyone else to make something greater of your self, you just realize its will be harder for you than someone else. You are confusing opportunity with circumstance, the former can trump the latter in many many cases, if you are willing to work hard enough and take the risks when they present them selves.

Oh yeah, not all men are created equal. That's arbitrary.

Well this is a product of 100+ years of perversion of the legal system and, attempts to make things fair............................ Which as you know has the opposite effect, and are contradictory to the original founding documents and principals of this country But that is getting into a different topic

Yes we are all born equal its our actions that make the difference in where we end up, you cant argue that away in this country YET.

[Dozyproductions]

You are confusing opportunity with circumstance, the former can trump the latter in many many cases, if you are willing to work hard enough and take the risks when they present them selves..

Even if that was so, circumstance is as much part of our reality as the 'equal opportunity' we're talking about. Plus it goes even deeper with how everyone's psyche is developed. I'm just trying to say it isn't as simple as 'all men are created equal', because even when our forefathers wrote that we all know that wasn't the case.

These aren't excuses (that's just too easy of a category to lump everything that isn't pure capitalistic into) just added perspective.

[M-technik-3]

getting national attention and movement has begun. Don't think the Oval office is nervous?

[mrsleeve]

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Yes I find it funny that they are protesting their political champions biggest campaign contributors. :rofl:

I also find it very very disgusting that they are comparing them selves to the Boston tea party and equating themselves with the modern equivalent of the founding fathers of this country , that is so fucking disgusting it makes me want to puke.


DOZY: I can and do respect you position, and you are correct I am not arguing against the fact that we are all subjects of our circumstances in life. The biggest point I am trying to make is that we all can over come those things, and are given that chance here in this country like no where else in the world. If we take it or not is up to us, and it just pisses me off that it seems that the vast majority of the population seems to confuse opportunity and circumstance and use it as a excuse or crutch as to why they are still in a shitty place in life.


Myself for example, at 31 years old, I make more money in a year (only working 7-10monts a year) than both my parents earned combined the entire time I was growing up even adjusted for inflation. I have a little college but nothing that will help me in my field, I have worked my ass to get where I am, and over come my "circumstances" but still cherish and value them as a reminder of how lucky I am to be where I am.

[Mlarsen]

Myself for example, at 31 years old, I make more money in a year (only working 7-10monts a year) than both my parents earned combined the entire time I was growing up even adjusted for inflation. I have a little college but nothing that will help me in my field, I have worked my ass to get where I am, and over come my "circumstances" but still cherish and value them as a reminder of how lucky I am to be where I am.

Yahtzee. The opportunity to succeed is always going to be there. It may not be easy or direct but, EVERYONE has the option to be successful in their life.

[Victell]

How bad of a situation must a person be in before you guys will allow help? What's the threshold? Curious

[Bene]

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Yes I find it funny that they are protesting their political champions biggest campaign contributors. :rofl:

I also find it very very disgusting that they are comparing them selves to the Boston tea party and equating themselves with the modern equivalent of the founding fathers of this country , that is so fucking disgusting it makes me want to puke.


DOZY: I can and do respect you position, and you are correct I am not arguing against the fact that we are all subjects of our circumstances in life. The biggest point I am trying to make is that we all can over come those things, and are given that chance here in this country like no where else in the world. If we take it or not is up to us, and it just pisses me off that it seems that the vast majority of the population seems to confuse opportunity and circumstance and use it as a excuse or crutch as to why they are still in a shitty place in life.


Myself for example, at 31 years old, I make more money in a year (only working 7-10monts a year) than both my parents earned combined the entire time I was growing up even adjusted for inflation. I have a little college but nothing that will help me in my field, I have worked my ass to get where I am, and over come my "circumstances" but still cherish and value them as a reminder of how lucky I am to be where I am.

I'm sure your pile of bananas is very impressive, but what have you done to make the world a better place?

[NKRoberts]

I'm sure your pile of bananas is very impressive, but what have you done to make the world a better place?

yeah people that have jobs and work hard are evil

[mrsleeve]

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Thank you

How bad of a situation must a person be in before you guys will allow help? What's the threshold? Curious

not the subject of this thread.

By looking at the pics in the media of these protests, the protesters are not in need of help, they are on their expensive lap tops and phones posting to FB and checking email and such. If you can afford a 500 dollar phone and 50+ bucks a month Cell plan with all the trimmings or and Ipad or lap top that is running on an the mobile networks, then I really dont think you need any help from me.


Not to mention the fact that these idiots have no idea what they are protesting for or what they want, other than death to capitalism