Global Warming is over.

[marshallnoise]

yes they do, and i am one of the people using them in another context.

i'm not calling for genocide or sterilization- you're putting words in my mouth, and the amount of hypocrisy involved with calling me "dishonest" while doing that is incredible.

can you make the argument that humans existing on earth has been a net positive for the planet as an organism?

Decay, no one says "humans are a parasite" in a clinical sense. There is no reason to say it in a clinical sense because it simply is not true. You used a nihilistic website as a rational explanation for not having children because "humans are a parasite." It is 100% honest to say you are using it in the non-clinical sense.

Not having children because "the human race is parasitic" is self-genocide or self-sterilization. That is a fact, practically and technically. Doing so voluntarily BECAUSE "the human race is parasitic" is still damning the entire human race.

Fuck man, how can you think you can get away with the claim you are "clinically" speaking when you have the balls to make an appeal to me that I should supply proof that the human race is NOT parasitic.

Recap: You are 100% convinced we are a parasite on the Earth, then say you don't believe that, then ask me to provide an argument that we are not parasitic.

[parkerbink]

You are lost on what I was saying. I was saying, "Why should I have to defend the idea that people have value?" Isn't it obvious? It doesn't need any defending.

You aren't reading correctly. I am far from confused.

It is the responsibility of the "author" to be understood. I read what you wrote. You are contradicting yourself.

[ForcedFirebird]

Good for you and congratulations!

My three are similar. 24, 30, 32.

Youngest is in Moscow defending her Thesis. (Graduated from ASU Walter Cronkite School of Journalism) & going to the World Cup.

Middle, Graduated Law school at 22, is graduating from Cal State Berkley in July with masters in international law and eldest is the Executive Chef at Espranza in Cabo. (It was in Heartbreak Kid)

Nope, not proud.

Nice! I dropped out of college as a graphic designer because I could go haul bricks for more money in less time (which kinda worked out since computers and the internet were taking off, no one would have been looking for pencil/paper/film artists in 2000 lol). Funny to think I was making $18/hr in 1998 and masons now make the same 20yrs latter, yet inflation has cut the dollar in half since. Took me 9mos to become a journeyman, within a year I had incorporated and started my own crew as construction was booming in West FL at the time.

I like you already! I totally appreciate that it is tough to pick up and move. I want out of California, badly. But I have a very sick mother, no siblings and she has to be close to the best healthcare she can get. So I am being as good of a son as I can and seeing her through the last years of her life so she can be comfortable and well taken care of.

I just wonder what people are thinking when they move to New Orleans and worry about flooding or move to Kansas and worry about tornadoes or move to California and worry about earthquakes.

Good move with your mum! This is the first time in 9yr my family will be living among ourselves, we had my mother in law pass in our house, her twin sister live with us for 2yr, then sister in law had a baby out of wedlock (dad took off), so we shared our home with her. Crazy to think the wife only has a couple family members left, yet my Irish-Catholic background, I have tons of family. My grandmother is still kicking, there's a very good chance she will see 5 generations in her time. She is almost exactly 40yr older than me and birthed 8 children. I have 14 aunts/uncles and my youngest uncle is only 7yr older than me (most are survived to boot). Strange thing is there are very few families outside ours that have the same last name.



No matter where you move, there will be "acts of god", just have to be smart about choices. We plan on GA mountainous scenery when we do move. Not only is the land high, the weather is cooler (my shop is often over 100° in the summer), but the property is about 1/2-2/3 of what it is here. For what I pay for the shop/house per month here will get me several acres, 3.5k SF home with a mother-in-law suite and 3k sf outbuilding to house my shop (current shop is 2.5k SF, home is 2k). Every year I get a statement from the shop lease that shows how much money I gave them since day one, and throw up in my mouth a little. 2k SF homes here are approaching .5mil, shop rent is about to approach $14/SF/yr with my 8th lease next Feb.

[decay]

You are lost on what I was saying. I was saying, "Why should I have to defend the idea that people have value?" Isn't it obvious? It doesn't need any defending.

"i don't need to provide supporting arguments because i'm automatically right"

[parkerbink]

We have millions of bacteria in our bodies we need to survive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria

They are considered parasites.

Just saying.

[marshallnoise]

It seems you are confused.

On the one hand, you seem upset it was suggested people are parasitic.

Then you seem to espouse people are useless.

?????

You aren't reading correctly. I am far from confused.

[marshallnoise]

If people are useless what about all the help you get in your myriad restore basket case threads?

You are lost on what I was saying. I was saying, "Why should I have to defend the idea that people have value?" Isn't it obvious? It doesn't need any defending.

[kronus]

I am not struggling with the difference. The language used by certain people that "humans are parasites" is specifically to justify eliminating them. No one uses that phrase in any other context.

you're struggling with the difference in the same breath as claiming you're not

[gwb72tii]

The bickering continues... :p

We are getting off topic in the off topic lounge lol.

http://sealevel.climatecentral.org/news/floria-and-the-rising-sea

...and for those that refuse to click links...



I grew up in Tampa bay and the barrier islands around Bradenton/Sarasota area were constantly being dredged and dumped on the beach to help keep the sea water out of homes, and me being in the construction industry at the time, we were actually raising beach-front homes in the late 90's early 00's. No joke, made a good living jacking homes up and building new foundations under them. Now the water is rising at a much more accelerated rate and construction can't even keep up anymore. Fortunately I live ~12 miles inland with a 14' elevation, the shop is about 3 miles from the beach, but at 16'. Miami beach is ~6' average.

I don't know much about your local situation, if its seal level rising or land subsiding, but sea levels have been rising for a long, long, long time, and not because of so called man made global warming.
And if you take the time to read through the material it's interesting to note CO2 levels and sea level have no correlation.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/12/70-scientific-papers-say-todays-sea-level-change-indistinguishable-from-noise/

[decay]

I am not struggling with the difference. The language used by certain people that "humans are parasites" is specifically to justify eliminating them. No one uses that phrase in any other context.

yes they do, and i am one of the people using them in another context.

i'm not calling for genocide or sterilization- you're putting words in my mouth, and the amount of hypocrisy involved with calling me "dishonest" while doing that is incredible.

can you make the argument that humans existing on earth has been a net positive for the planet as an organism?

[parkerbink]

I am not struggling with the difference. The language used by certain people that "humans are parasites" is specifically to justify eliminating them. No one uses that phrase in any other context.

It seems you are confused.

On the one hand, you seem upset it was suggested people are parasitic.

Then you seem to espouse people are useless.

?????

[marshallnoise]

you seem to be struggling to separate the concepts "parasites are a thing that exists in an ecosystem" and "parasites are a bad thing for the ecosystem and should be eliminated".

I am not struggling with the difference. The language used by certain people that "humans are parasites" is specifically to justify eliminating them. No one uses that phrase in any other context.

[parkerbink]

Supporting argument to defend that human life is worth something? Really?

If people are useless what about all the help you get in your myriad restore basket case threads?

[marshallnoise]

what exactly is twisted about it? you're gonna have to provide a supporting argument here (for once).

Supporting argument to defend that human life is worth something? Really?

[kronus]

you seem to be struggling to separate the concepts "parasites are a thing that exists in an ecosystem" and "parasites are a bad thing for the ecosystem and should be eliminated".