Question for Christians.

[cale]

I'd post a retort, but the critical thinkers bible is down and I'm incapable of forming a sound argument or opinion of my own without the inclusion of my sacred texts, Wikipedia.

[Mr. Tasty]

I'd post a retort, but the critical thinkers bible is down and I'm incapable of forming a sound argument or opinion of my own without the inclusion of my sacred texts, Wikipedia.

haha win.

[Kershaw]

No, Fusion, atheist do use a similar system of what you call "psychological punishment" and anyone reading these threads can see the basic formula:

prioritize "logic"
label theists as illogical
the further away a theist is from agreeing with the atheist, then degrade the theist on the basis for lack of logic
the closer the theist is to agreeing with the atheist, then approve of the theist as finally making sense

similar method of acceptance vs. shame

hey, it's not my fault you're crazy, ok?

:P

[Fusion]

If the practice of disagreement or putting forth one's opinion is psychological punishment, than we're faced with punishment and we punish on a daily basis. Non of that is true, nor logical.

On the other hand, censorship is a means of punishment.

[quickjones]

in 2000 years we are all going to worship steve jobs as the true herald of our new age.

mark my words. 4000 AD. steve jobs. god.

Lol, thanks for my first sig, hope you don't mind.

[OniKyan]

The only true Christian died on a cross, if he even existed at all.

[Fourbanger]

'cept he was a jew.

[OniKyan]

'cept he was a jew.

Yeah and his name wasn't Jesus. If the guy existed at all, which historical documentation suggests that he didn't, his name would have been Yeshua.

Victims of Roman brainwashing tend to call him Jesus Christ and believe they're following his philosophy though.

[Vtec?lol]

The issue with christianity is it lacks so much discipline and people all over misuse it because it's one of the most free religions in the world.
I have Christian beliefs but unfortunately I have a hard time believing religion. Maybe It's because I'm young and dumb but as of now, I can see why so many frown upon it. I come from a christian family and christian friends but that didn't stop some of them from being murderers, rapist, drug dealers, or just bad people.

So many people run to it as a last resort. I have faith in myself and in God and his son. I read the new and old testament and the bible is what I base my beliefs on.

[der affe]

i am just here to stir the pot.....continue on

[mar1t1me]

We can debate minutiae forever, or simplify the argument to the main issue:

Either the revealed religions of the world, and their sacred texts which tell us how to live and worship in great detail are truly the Word of God who created us, and therefore must be followed, including slavery, rape, animal sacrifice and many other things that tend to be universally found in such texts.....things that the followers of said God are commanded to do by the sacred texts....

....or.....

We accept that religions, and their attendant gods are nothing more than an attempt by an ancient, largely ignorant and illiterate people trying, without the tools and methods of scientific inquiry, to comprehend the world around them and to give reason to their existence.

If the first is not absolutely correct, then ALL religions are invalid, and their practices rendered irrelevant.

If our species is to survive, we must quit looking to an invented deity for enlightenment. As long as people can claim God tells them what to do, true personal responsibility will continue to elude us.

[yeaseth]

its is simple to be a true Christian, all you need to do is believe 100% that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose three days later, and you will have eternal life! That means you will never die! how can anyone not want that? A lot of people make it more confusing or difficult then it needs to be

[joshh]

its is simple to be a true Christian, all you need to do is believe 100% that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose three days later, and you will have eternal life! That means you will never die! how can anyone not want that? A lot of people make it more confusing or difficult then it needs to be

So your actions in this life mean nothing as long as you accept Jesus as your saviour? If that's the case then it explains a lot about some Christians.

[FunfGan]

So your actions in this life mean nothing as long as you accept Jesus as your saviour? If that's the case then it explains a lot about some Christians.

Theoretically, yes. While that is not what the Bible teaches do to, one can argue that is all that is needed. As some people have said earlier in this thread, its kind of sad to see how some "Christians" today are. I know a lot of people who refer to themselves as "Christians" simply because they have no other "label".

[cale]

its is simple to be a true Christian, all you need to do is believe 100% that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose three days later, and you will have eternal life! That means you will never die! how can anyone not want that? A lot of people make it more confusing or difficult then it needs to be

Wanting something, no matter how sweet the reward does not justify accepting it nor make it any more truthful.