Question for Christians.

[deansbimmer]

I feel like you categorized all these in the sense of people believing they are all Gods lol.

Sorry, purely unintentional, just the first that popped into my head..

Mohammed is also a prophet of God, accordingly. We all know who Mary is. Baal and the golden calves were idols, or sculptures and what not I think? That's not the point though, I want to ask you this: Then do you believe God, the one and only, is the same God for all three major religions; Christianity, Judaism, and Islam?

I definitely don't have time to cover that can of worms, lol. All three can be traced back to the covenant God made with Abraham and at that point in time they would be referencing the same God. However, what some may see as being the same God today and therefore think that all three will get you to heaven is incorrect, the three operate on completely different premises' and I reject the teachings of Judaism and Islam.

(I hope I said that right :crazy:)

[E30Kaiser]

Jesus was just one of the greatest messengers of God in my belief. From what I'm starting to understand from some of the replies, Jesus was God-incarnate, full man and full God, correct? But can the finite and the infinite be one(a few here said the Trinity is one.). Being full God means freedom from the finite forms and the helplessness. Also, to be full man means absence of being divine. If Jesus with God is unity of spiritual-communion, there would have been no problem as this applies to other Prophets as well..

The trinity is a bad topic to discuss in much detail I feel, as it isn't even a universally understood theory among Christians. Latter-day saints believe they aren't all the same being, they are united in purpose and in heaven. Then there are plenty of Christians who never believed in the trinity as we do in the first place.

Jesus being just an extremely important prophet is basically the same belief as that of Islam. Mohammad being the final prophet, and the Koran being the most true holy book, as it is the only one that is literally the word of God. That's what I got from all the classes I took on it anyway.

[ak-]

How does this apply to prophets? Rather, what do you believe about prophets? It seems to me you would have to deny Marry's virgin birth and his whole reason for Edit: dying on the cross if you believe that Jesus was a prophet instead of God's son.

I don't see the connection in denying Marry's virgin birth; I'm not.
I believe that if God says something is to be, it will be.
Jesus was born with a purpose. God wanted it to be. Like a prophet; a messenger. There was a goal.
That's where I'm coming from in a sense.

The trinity is a bad topic to discuss in much detail I feel, as it isn't even a universally understood theory among Christians. Latter-day saints believe they aren't all the same being, they are united in purpose and in heaven. Then there are plenty of Christians who never believed in the trinity as we do in the first place.

Jesus being just an extremely important prophet is basically the same belief as that of Islam. Mohammad being the final prophet, and the Koran being the most true holy book, as it is the only one that is literally the word of God. That's what I got from all the classes I took on it anyway.

Agree.

Sorry, purely unintentional, just the first that popped into my head..

I definitely don't have time to cover that can of worms, lol. All three can be traced back to the covenant God made with Abraham and at that point in time they would be referencing the same God. However, what some may see as being the same God today and therefore think that all three will get you to heaven is incorrect, the three operate on completely different premises' and I reject the teachings of Judaism and Islam.

(I hope I said that right :crazy:)

:p
Just wanted to know where you were coming from is all. Didn't want to get mixed thoughts of you by certain statements which would in-turn reflect more things you reply to me.

[nickflic3]

I don't see the connection in denying Marry's virgin birth; I'm not.
I believe that if God says something is to be, it will be.
Jesus was born with a purpose. God wanted it to be. Like a prophet; a messenger. There was a goal.
That's where I'm coming from in a sense.

Sorry that was a bit excessive I apologize lol I was wondering how you viewed prophets so I could better understand how Jesus relates to being a prophet vs. the Messiah. We believe he came to save us of our sins (Hebrews 9:22) and not just to be a teacher. How would one be saved through Islam?

[E30Kaiser]

Sorry that was a bit excessive I apologize lol I was wondering how you viewed prophets so I could better understand how Jesus relates to being a prophet vs. the Messiah. We believe he came to save us of our sins (Hebrews 9:22) and not just to be a teacher. How would one be saved through Islam?

Islam views him as the Messiah too buddy.

[nickflic3]

I guess I should admittedly say I don't quite understand Islam... Where is the conflict haha This just takes me back to my comment about Religion being different ways of teaching about God.

[ak-]

Islam views him as the Messiah too buddy.

Islam veiws him as a prophet. One of the greatest prophets.
He is mentioned more times in the Qu'ran then Mohammed himself.

Sorry that was a bit excessive I apologize lol I was wondering how you viewed prophets so I could better understand how Jesus relates to being a prophet vs. the Messiah. We believe he came to save us of our sins (Hebrews 9:22) and not just to be a teacher. How would one be saved through Islam?

;)

By submission to God, the one and only.
Oneness of God, the Oneness of Divine guidance, and the complementary role of the subsequent mission of God’s messengers.

[nickflic3]

Jesus was just one of the greatest messengers of God in my belief. From what I'm starting to understand from some of the replies, Jesus was God-incarnate, full man and full God, correct? But can the finite and the infinite be one(a few here said the Trinity is one.). Being full God means freedom from the finite forms and the helplessness. Also, to be full man means absence of being divine. If Jesus with God is unity of spiritual-communion, there would have been no problem as this applies to other Prophets as well..

This is what I need clarification on. How do you view prophets? I am getting that prophets are equal to Jesus but not to God and that Jesus, being a prophet, is not equal to God.

[E30Kaiser]

I guess I should admittedly say I don't quite understand Islam... Where is the conflict haha This just takes me back to my comment about Religion being different ways of teaching about God.

In a perfect world there wouldn't be much of a conflict, the main differences between Jesus in Christianity and Islam from what I understand is him being killed and the whole trinity thing. Muslims believe he got taken into heaven instead of being killed. Jesus will come back at the end times in both faiths and makes the world a just and good place.

Jesus is mentioned more in the Koran than Mohammad according to my Islam professor, funny factoid.

[ak-]

This is what I need clarification on. How do you view prophets? I am getting that prophets are equal to Jesus but not to God and that Jesus, being a prophet, is not equal to God.

God had sent prophets to humanity.
Sent in different times and places, to pass/communicate His message.
God has sent His guidance thru these chosen people.
They were human beings who taught the people around them about faith in One Almighty God,and how to go about the path of righteousness.

I hope I answered your question right?

[ak-]

In a perfect world there wouldn't be much of a conflict, the main differences between Jesus in Christianity and Islam from what I understand is him being killed and the whole trinity thing. Muslims believe he got taken into heaven instead of being killed. Jesus will come back at the end times in both faiths and makes the world a just and good place.

Jesus is mentioned more in the Koran than Mohammad according to my Islam professor, funny factoid.

Kaiser is correct here on his statements.
That's the only difference in Christian-Jesus and Muslim-Jesus.

[nickflic3]

Alright I am starting to grasp a little bit thanks to you and Mr kaiser.
You answered the questions adequately thanks lol But when you say sent, do you mean sent from heaven like Jesus or people who essentially had a calling and walked around sharing the word? From what I gather you believe what I believe haha

[ak-]

Alright I am starting to grasp a little bit thanks to you and Mr kaiser.
You answered the questions adequately thanks lol But when you say sent, do you mean sent from heaven like Jesus or people who essentially had a calling and walked around sharing the word? From what I gather you believe what I believe haha

I feel like you're setting me up for a trick question haha, but both in a sense.
Prophets were the elite(morals/chosen ways of life) of their society and chosen to be messengers because of it.

Jesus, however, was one sent from heaven in a sense.
Born as a miracle from the virgin Mary, it was announced by angel Gabriel, "I am only a messenger from your Lord(God), (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son."

And you're right, we do both basically believe the same thing (:

[nickflic3]

Not tricks here haha Just trying to understand where your coming from is all :p

[smooth]

Jesus, however, was one sent from heaven in a sense.
Born as a miracle from the virgin Mary, it was announced by angel Gabriel, "I am only a messenger from your Lord(God), (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son."

Keep in mind that only in catholicism is immaculate conception a universal doctrine. In all other christian denominations beliefs range from immaculate conception (catholics and their protestant derivatives--Anglicans, Lutherans, and Calvinists) to being born of an unwed or young mother (fundamentalists - Four square, Church of God, and Seventh Day Adventists) to even the extreme position that a deity had physical intercourse with Mary (Mormons).