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  • rwh11385
    lance_entities
    • Oct 2003
    • 18403

    #76
    Back to comment on scabies post again... I think jealousy misdirects our focus. Instead of thinking of all the things we don't have and others do, people ought to appreciate what they do have. On Maslov's hierarchy, cable TV and a smart phone is not found. Nor are luxury cars, designer clothes, or iPads.

    Our standard of living has grown significantly in a few decades, and even the worse off often have it better than average did in the 1950s.

    In the 1950s and 1960s, a working man could support a family at a middle-class standard of living with just one income. It might surprise you to learn that one person working full

    In the early 1950s, fully two fifths of American households had no automobile, about a third did not have a private telephone or a television, and the homes of about a third of all Americans were dilapidated or were without running water or a private toilet and bath. Only a small minority of families enjoyed such basics as a mixer or had a hot-water heater.
    The America we live in today assumes you have hot water, multiple bathrooms, air conditioning, and at least one car per person, a[n] [apple] laptop for each person, internet, as well as a cell phone with data, cable or dish, a flatscreen TV, blueray, and much larger house than previous eras. (1970s median house was 1400 sq ft, small compared to today's 2200) The average middle-class household is much better off than before, even if everyone will focus on how wages have been stagnant. With globalization and productivity increases, you can get a lot more technology and utility for the money. Sure, commodities have increased in price because of demand, but that is the result of the world economy consuming more to produce all of our toys.

    Even the richest person in the 80s didn't have the internet. Nor did they have a phone they could put in the pocket, nor a personal computer. (Maybe a room-sized punch card machine). Yet we take for granted all of these things.

    Few people these days understand what frugality is and how to live on less than $40k a year. And if kids understood the real meaning of 'need' vs. 'want', they would be capable of surviving on a lot less income. (Or have a better work ethic for earning what they want) But until people get an appreciation for what they have and what they need to do to get it, then they'll continue to protest the unfairness of the world... even if they enjoy luxuries they have grown accustomed to while many people in the world do without the basics, like clean water, a proper house, or enough food.

    If everyone put a fraction of the energy they use up looking up and seeing who has cooler or better stuff than them, maybe a bigger house or newer / more expensive car, and spent it looking around them and volunteering to help the less fortunate... there would be a lot less strife in the country. I don't advocate forced re-distribution through taxes as that is heartless and voting for 'someone else' to help others, instead of doing it yourself.

    If there aren't those with more money than they need to survive, then no one would be capable of giving. Socialism ensures equal suffering, while we are free in capitalism to use money as we desire. The less fortunate is not a government problem to solve necessarily, but rather a cultural problem of people too stuck on consuming more. I'd find it much more meaningful for people to donate rather than their money be taken from them as the government dictates. If people care, they should make it known with their own money, or if they don't have any to spare... with their time and effort.

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    • Kershaw
      R3V OG
      • Feb 2010
      • 11822

      #77
      Originally posted by rwh11385
      Even the richest person in the 80s didn't have the internet. Nor did they have a phone they could put in the pocket, nor a personal computer. (Maybe a room-sized punch card machine). Yet we take for granted all of these things.
      how does this even make sense?

      it's like saying that even julius ceaser didnt have a bike and most rural chinese villages have bikes, so i guess they're flossin?
      AWD > RWD

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      • Rsully70sev
        R3VLimited
        • Sep 2010
        • 2391

        #78
        Mitt can suck me for free.

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        • rwh11385
          lance_entities
          • Oct 2003
          • 18403

          #79
          Originally posted by Kershaw
          how does this even make sense?

          it's like saying that even julius ceaser didnt have a bike and most rural chinese villages have bikes, so i guess they're flossin?
          No one compares the average income of a Roman vs. the Chinese, but people commonly look at wages adjusted for inflation over time. The growth in median income might have been slight, but the growth in luxuries most take for granted has grown significantly. Some articles writing about the average standard of living forgets what a lot of Americans grew up with. The same writers who blame job losses on productivity or globalization regret to consider much of what people enjoy was made possible by it.

          We should be happy for the comforts most have and cool stuff we have for cheap, instead of sad not having the best new toys some may possess.

          Who cares how much Mitt has if he gives away as much as he pays in taxes? That is like a self-imposed 30% tax rate. He's not the problem - those who focus on what they want instead of what they have are.
          Last edited by rwh11385; 01-24-2012, 08:41 PM.

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          • priapism
            E30 Enthusiast
            • Mar 2010
            • 1182

            #80
            Just fyi, he's released his returns.
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            • Kershaw
              R3V OG
              • Feb 2010
              • 11822

              #81
              Originally posted by rwh11385
              Who cares how much Mitt has if he gives away as much as he pays in taxes? That is like a self-imposed 30% tax rate. He's not the problem - those who focus on what they want instead of what they have are.
              i thought he ended up paying like 10% in taxes? so that's like 20%?
              AWD > RWD

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              • z31maniac
                I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                • Dec 2007
                • 17566

                #82
                Originally posted by Kershaw
                i thought he ended up paying like 10% in taxes? so that's like 20%?
                He paid $3 million in taxes last year, for a 15.1% rate, then gave another $3.5 million in charity (half to the Mormon church).
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                • Kershaw
                  R3V OG
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 11822

                  #83
                  ah. well, whether its 3 or 6.5 million of his income getting taken away, cant say i feel for him. lol. if i made 40m/yr i'd be ok with a 30% tax rate.
                  AWD > RWD

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                  • gwb72tii
                    No R3VLimiter
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 3864

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Kershaw
                    ah. well, whether its 3 or 6.5 million of his income getting taken away, cant say i feel for him. lol. if i made 40m/yr i'd be ok with getting raped.
                    ftfy
                    ;)
                    “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
                    Sir Winston Churchill

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                    • ck_taft325is
                      R3V OG
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 6880

                      #85
                      Originally posted by scabzzzz
                      It really doesnt matter how he got his money. Its a given that if you're running for president, you have assloads of wealth from somewhere. Romney is a hollow businessman like the rest (minus Paul). He goes out and shits on the other runners political positions when he himself is the most sack swinging individual of them all. Same with Newt. And Obama (now).


                      Romney can keep his tax return too. I dont give a shit. Most people wont understand the difference between capital gains tax and income tax. OHH SHIT YOU MEAN DAT NIGGA ONLY PAY 15% SHIIIIT MAN I PAY 30% FUCK THAT GUY FREE MONEY FROM OBAMA SIGN UP HERE!!!

                      Can we just sticky this post up top? It'll pretty much end 80% of the discussion here...
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                      • Kershaw
                        R3V OG
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 11822

                        #86
                        Originally posted by gwb72tii
                        ftfy
                        ;)
                        true. :(

                        i dont know how i'll survive on any less than 30m/year.
                        AWD > RWD

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                        • priapism
                          E30 Enthusiast
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 1182

                          #87
                          Most people look at taxes as a way to punish people for making more than them and phrase it more in the sense of an attempt to force economic equality on people. The point of taxes is to fund government operations. The focus should be on saving money there, not on taking more of everyone's money for the government to waste.

                          This is all a giant distraction, don't fall for it. EVERYONE should be paying less in tax.
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                          -Sean : 91 Calypso 325i : Castro Motorsports SoCal Spec E30 #33

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                          • scabzzzz
                            Estado de mierda de encargo
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 6870

                            #88
                            Originally posted by rwh11385
                            I think it would be incorrect to say that drugs or partying never changed a life path or led people astray. Even if Prohibition was lifted (which makes a lot of sense) and it was no longer criminal or a risk in that manner, it still has a chance of getting carried away like with alcohol or video games (know more than a couple people who failed out because of WOW). You are going to argue against that?
                            )
                            I think you missed my points a bit, or will never see it the way I do and understand what Im saying.
                            Drugs arent to blame for people making poor decisions. So just stop saying it is. Ive been in and out of rehab a few times, and in hindsight, i wanted to be there. Drugs were just a medium for me to cheat my way out of dealing with myself. BECAUSE I OVER ABUSED THEM. Period.And knew exactly what I was doing when I did it. These lobbyists and lawmakers fighting this war on terror and drugs and shit are the same fucks who smoke joints, ate ludes, and blew coke in college that are now derailing any forward thinking and legitimate research that Im sure they had no problem pointing the flaws out in college. Hypocrisy should be one of the parties in this country. And its a big deal. People are going to KILL and DIE for drugs and there is absolutely NOTHING that will stop them, not even the United States of America's Federal Government. No logic or reasoning can argue that away.

                            I feel very strongly on that ^ which is why I keep milking it, but the other stuff you speak on is cool. I agree. No sound minded person would disagree. But still, you should smoke a joint and reflect on all these thoughts. Might find you feel differently on some things. ;)

                            Originally posted by dinanm3atl
                            OK? And? The economy is not doing great and people with degrees(Not that this part matters) cannot find work? Are they looking for anything or looking for that sweet job?

                            I don't have an engineering job. I work sales, started a photography business AND part out cars. I work 7 days a week sometimes. With Daytona 24 this weekend I will be up early doing work. At the track taking pictures. Then go to the media center and answer emails for both the other jobs. Then go shoot again. Then go to hotel and up till 2am

                            There is more out than office jobs/engineering jobs/high paying stuff. As Heeter said you might have to work a little extra and put in some mileage. That is what this country is about. Not sure when it started with "I went to college and deserve a job with a cushy salary, paid vacation, insurance and nice benefits." but that is where we are at. Great you went to college and got a degree... you have a piece of paper. What kind of worker are you? What do you bring to the table? What do you offer the company?


                            Stuff like this is just LOL worthy:(from earlier in this thread)

                            http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-03/u...filed?_s=PM:US
                            I know you have multiple jobs dude, and you seem to be doing great. Congratulations. You're white and over priveledged like the rest of us in this thread. Pat yourself on the back. Atlanta is doing well as a city too. So is Nashville, we should revel in it together. I know I have been...

                            Also, no one has brought up that fact that going to college is a far more popular idea as a life decision. People didnt go to college before the technology boom like they do now. The general idea they were taught before the boom was that you "Go to college, get degree, get good paying job after college" turned out to be a big fuckin lie when really that WAS the formula for success. But instead, Kids went to college, got out, had no job to go to. That age group is what, the 25-35 age group now? Basically, us.
                            Take that same idea, apply it to the 18-25 crowd that are just now figuring all this shit out, and its even worse for them. And to boot, there isnt enough industry any longer in this country for them to find employment outside of a private firm or "cushy" job. In a matter of a couple of presidential elections, a lot has changed. Everything has changed. And the *"Republicans" refuse to change with it.


                            *Repubs in quotes becuase really, is the GOP really republican these days? republican = whatever people wanna hear
                            Im done :)


                            To be on topic tho, as far as Romneys tax returns. Just proves what we already knew and expected. Hes a ruthless businessman that acts like every other politician and cutthroat businessman. I feel more strongly about how he launders his cash and how poorly he treats his employees than what he paid in taxes.

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                            • rwh11385
                              lance_entities
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 18403

                              #89
                              Originally posted by scabzzzz
                              I think you missed my points a bit, or will never see it the way I do and understand what Im saying.
                              Drugs arent to blame for people making poor decisions. So just stop saying it is. Ive been in and out of rehab a few times, and in hindsight, i wanted to be there. Drugs were just a medium for me to cheat my way out of dealing with myself. BECAUSE I OVER ABUSED THEM. Period.And knew exactly what I was doing when I did it. These lobbyists and lawmakers fighting this war on terror and drugs and shit are the same fucks who smoke joints, ate ludes, and blew coke in college that are now derailing any forward thinking and legitimate research that Im sure they had no problem pointing the flaws out in college. Hypocrisy should be one of the parties in this country. And its a big deal. People are going to KILL and DIE for drugs and there is absolutely NOTHING that will stop them, not even the United States of America's Federal Government. No logic or reasoning can argue that away.

                              I feel very strongly on that ^ which is why I keep milking it, but the other stuff you speak on is cool. I agree. No sound minded person would disagree. But still, you should smoke a joint and reflect on all these thoughts. Might find you feel differently on some things. ;)
                              People don't lose control of their lives by reading or biking or healthy habits. These things improve life, not detract or avoid it. A lot of people escape reality with drugs or use booze to forget about it, but it'd be better if people found meaning in life. I understand getting some R&R and not straight edge, but there are better, less destructive or distracting means. Maybe the people who lose themselves in drugs or alcohol are gonna be prone to emotional issues even without them, though.

                              I don't think enforcement helps - it makes more criminals, spends a lot of money, and creates a black market for criminals to profit from... while missing out on taxing a business.

                              But if people have the freedom to do as they please, how do you encourage them to be responsible, don't over do it, and be productive citizens??

                              Also, no one has brought up that fact that going to college is a far more popular idea as a life decision. People didnt go to college before the technology boom like they do now. The general idea they were taught before the boom was that you "Go to college, get degree, get good paying job after college" turned out to be a big fuckin lie when really that WAS the formula for success. But instead, Kids went to college, got out, had no job to go to. That age group is what, the 25-35 age group now? Basically, us.
                              Take that same idea, apply it to the 18-25 crowd that are just now figuring all this shit out, and its even worse for them. And to boot, there isnt enough industry any longer in this country for them to find employment outside of a private firm or "cushy" job. In a matter of a couple of presidential elections, a lot has changed. Everything has changed. And the *"Republicans" refuse to change with it.
                              It is a popular approach, especially from Obama who wants 60% of Americans to graduate college. (Yet we are losing technicians to retirement and missing apprenticeship / vocational programs since we drive everyone to college) But what will all of them do? Especially if they aren't technical and fluffy educations? Sit in a cubicle and collect paycheck/benefits while not adding value? I saw a 'college bubble' before kids starting protesting or suing because 'they were lied to'.

                              College is still a path for success for the majority of graduates. Kids shouldn't just EXPECT a job, they need to work for it with internships, or student organizations and volunteering if not, or part-time jobs at least. Is "2.7 and good attendance" what people believe deserve a job without any effort as a trophy?

                              No industry needs graduates? What about Nursing? Healthcare? Computer/IT? Engineering? Accounting? Agriculture? Science? Education?


                              What you do see is a LOT of humanities/liberal arts, art, recreation/tourism, and social science unemployment. Is it that shocking that these non-technical majors have more trouble finding jobs than the others mentioned?

                              It's just like kids going out-of-state or to some of the most expensive private schools in the nation, and then complaining about student loans... what did they expect? I had friends from in-state working the food court while studying and majoring in something with high probability of good job placement and salary, and guess what? They aren't asking for a bailout.

                              The unemployment rate for college graduates (that is, those holding at least a Bachelor’s degree) is only 4.3 percent.

                              However, if one examines the August BLS jobs report closely, one finds something interesting -- the unemployment rate for college graduates (that is, those holding at least a Bachelor’s degree) is only 4.3 percent. Moreover, this figure has slowly declined from 5.0 percent in August 2010.

                              "The biggest [determinant] of whether you're going to be unemployed or not is education level. People with a bachelor's degree or highe -- their unemployment rate tends to be half of what the average is. People without a high school diploma -- [their rate] is double the average unemployment [rate]."
                              Last edited by rwh11385; 01-25-2012, 02:25 PM.

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                              • scabzzzz
                                Estado de mierda de encargo
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 6870

                                #90
                                Originally posted by rwh11385
                                I don't think my mind will adopt your reasoning, no matter how much you assume I'm biased or naive.

                                People don't lose control of their lives by reading or biking or healthy habits. These things improve life, not detract or avoid it. A lot of people escape reality with drugs or use booze to forget about it, but it'd be better if people found meaning in life. I understand getting some R&R and not straight edge, but there are better, less destructive or distracting means. Maybe the people who lose themselves in drugs or alcohol are gonna be prone to emotional issues even without them, though.

                                I don't think enforcement helps - it makes more criminals, spends a lot of money, and creates a black market for criminals to profit from... while missing out on taxing a business.
                                ....The people that do healthy things such as hiking, cyclings, lifting, swimming, etc, SMOKE POT AND EAT MUSHROOMS AND DRINK MICRO BREWS.
                                :) Thats the part youre missing. The people that are already successful are some of the biggest buyers and users of drugs. Its already happening, they just dont advertise it to you. And theyre afraid to come out and speak about it for fear of social prosecution because its risky and they dont wanna lose what they already have.

                                Teaching people to moderate themselves and their habits is what we need to advocate. And shoving pills down peoples fucking throats like xanax, ritalin, and other mood stabilizers for depression and other avoidable self created diseases. Did you know our country is going through a huge Ritalin shortage right now? WHAT THE FUCK. If anything is a gateway drug to meth and coke and other uppers and downers, its the bullshit we feed our children from the get go. Our future is grim if we keep raising our population this way, which will effect EVERYTHING..... See below. I feel like this topic is still relevant considering we're talking about our future and what a possible future president should stand for to represent the big changes coming...

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                                I could go on for days about this stuff.

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