Health Care Law Massacred in Supreme Court

[RobertK]

The real reason this bill is controversial is because it forces people into a paricular marketplace unvoluntarily and if it stands then what will stop Congress from passing similar laws forcing you to purchase private goods and services you do not want or need?

The arguement that the poor will go without healthcare if this bill is struck down is a complete lie just like the BS report that it costs a Georgetown college student $3k a year for birth control.

There are plenty of programs already in place to take care of the sick who are poor and without coverage.

[Kershaw]

cars are pretty damn close to mandatory in the usa.

[joshh]

cars are pretty damn close to mandatory in the usa.

...if you plan on going out to the boonies sure...which is exactly the same as Europe. Or any country with a mass transit system. Within the city and just about any city within the US you do not have to have a car. But with the prices of bus tickets and train tickets, you might as well own a car.

[z31maniac]

Im surprised Scalia said and I'm paraphrasing. "do you expect me to read this 2700 page bill?" uh yeah, it's your fucking job as a judge. blew my mind that he would judge such an important bill without reading it.

You mean like Pelosi saying "We have to pass the bill to find out whats in it?"

[rwh11385]

cars are pretty damn close to mandatory in the usa.

Weird logic / analogy, and a bad one data point at that:

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-26/news/31239081_1_millennials-traditional-markers-housing-bubble

Why Millennials Couldn't Care Less About Getting A New Car Anymore

The Times notes that less than half of potential drivers age 19 or younger had a license in 2008, down from nearly two-thirds in 1998.

Even a bottom-tier Kia Sedan will run you $12,000, not counting the monthly cost of insurance, repairs, and filling up on $3.90-a-gallon gasoline. If there are reasonable, nearby alternatives to owning -- say, paying for a Zip Car membership, or taking the subway -- why commit to the expense?

Of course, Millennials are more likely than past generations to live in an urban community, and this may be part of what terrifies car markers. About 32 percent reside in cities, somewhat higher than the proportion of Generation X'ers or Baby Boomers who did when they were the same age, according to a 2009 Pew Research Center report.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39970363/ns/business-autos/t/carmakers-next-problem-generation-y/#.T2y6gOxAYs0

Carmakers' next problem: Generation Y
People in their teens and twenties are more interested in gadgets than cars

In 2008, 82 percent of 20- to 24-year-olds had their driver’s license, according to the Federal Highway Administration. Although that’s gone up a tiny bit in the past few years, it’s down from more than 87 percent in 1994.
People in their late twenties and early thirties are also slightly less likely to have a driver’s license than in 1994, and it appears that more people are at least delaying getting their license. Just 31 percent of 16-year-olds had their license in 2008, down from about 42 percent in 1994, according to government data.

All data points to Gen Y flocking to cities and being less interested in driving a car, let alone owning one. Especially with public transportation and services like I-Go Carsharing and ZipCar.

[jrobie79]

would bottled water be a better analogy? everyone needs water...it's the principle of 'a' product being mandated

[rwh11385]

would bottled water be a better analogy? everyone needs water...it's the principle of 'a' product being mandated

So we just need free doctors in the park like we do drinking fountains.




Hmmmm.... map of where the uninsured are:

[Farbin Kaiber]

I live in a blue spot in a red state.

Mind = Blown

[KenC]

So we just need free doctors in the park like we do drinking fountains.




Hmmmm.... map of where the uninsured are:

Some of the red areas are counties with VERY low populations. I know the counties in SE Oregon are nearly uninhabited. So even a handful of people can throw off the percentages. It's the red urban/suburban areas that are alarming.

[rwh11385]

Some of the red areas are counties with VERY low populations. I know the counties in SE Oregon are nearly uninhabited. So even a handful of people can throw off the percentages. It's the red urban/suburban areas that are alarming.

But how come MN, IA, WI, IL, IN, OH, and PA are disproportionately better than average?

And it's not apparently correlated well with income or poverty if you look at the other maps. AL has lot of poverty and minimal uninsured compared to other states, NE AZ has highest poverty in state and lowest uninsured. Some counties are related (SE WA, SE OH, Flint MI)... but not all.

[KenC]

But how come MN, IA, WI, IL, IN, OH, and PA are disproportionately better than average?

And it's not apparently correlated well with income or poverty if you look at the other maps. AL has lot of poverty and minimal uninsured compared to other states, NE AZ has highest poverty in state and lowest uninsured. Some counties are related (SE WA, SE OH, Flint MI)... but not all.

It's probably a better indicator of how well each state uses their Medicaid disbursements, or perhaps it's a map (at least state by state) of $ per citizen for state paid health insurance.

[Vedubin01]

It's probably a better indicator of how well each state uses their Medicaid disbursements, or perhaps it's a map (at least state by state) of $ per citizen for state paid health insurance.

That and maybe because a lot of those states hold big unions.

[mrsleeve]

But how come MN, IA, WI, IL, IN, OH, and PA are disproportionately better than average?

And it's not apparently correlated well with income or poverty if you look at the other maps. AL has lot of poverty and minimal uninsured compared to other states, NE AZ has highest poverty in state and lowest uninsured. Some counties are related (SE WA, SE OH, Flint MI)... but not all.

Highly unionized states ......................

[KenC]

IA, MN, and WI are highly unionized? What about the non-urban middle of PA?

[mrsleeve]

Well the non urban parts of pa. Coal miners, steel mills (traditionally) and lots union traveling construction hands

WI/MN are all highly unionized trades and shops

IA. John deere and huge appliance manufactureing state.

I guess what I was getting at was more of a traditionall highly unionized states that was carried into the non union shops having to compeat benfit wise, to garner employees