Fat people Not responsible.

[joshh]

calling me a socialist is pretty much the only argument you have, and it's pretty weak, and untrue.

hitler wasn't a socialist, btw.

I didn't call you a Socialist.... I called your solution a Socialist idea.
And yes Hitler was absofuckinglutly a Socialist. When you Nationalize your country, you Socialize the country. Just because Hitler left some private industry in private hands does not make it Capitalism. Off topic anyways.

[Farbin Kaiber]

nando is a fascist.

[nando]

Your solution is straight up Socialism. This system is broken because the closer we get to a full Socialistic system the more broken it will get. Our very system is proof of this. But then those who support it can claim it saves lives by giving the most basic of care. Which people could already get if they were more personally responsible about their own lives and government was less involved in trying to be the solution for everything.
We pay more for insurance because others are irresponsible. Because our system doesn't demand those who seek care actually pay for their own care. So let's just bend over backwards and bend to their will so those who are the most irresponsible get the most of the freebies. Sounds fair.
Sieg Heil!

calling me a socialist is pretty much the only argument you have, and it's pretty weak, and untrue.

hitler wasn't a socialist, btw.

[BraveUlysses]

that's your solution to everything, isn't it. call everyone who disagrees a socialist, and bury your head in the sand. pretty strong argument. :p

This sounds pretty socialist ;) (from the link in the OP):

The IOM committee also grappled with one of the third rails of American politics: farm policy. Price-support programs for wheat, cotton and other commodity crops prohibit participating farmers from planting fruits and vegetables on land enrolled in those programs. Partly as a result, U.S. farms do not produce enough fresh produce for all Americans to eat the recommended amounts, and the IOM panel calls for removing that ban.

[Thizzelle]

Wow this thread got long, don't know how fat people look at themselves everyday and say I look ok. My fat friend broke my couch and he has still not tried to lose weight, I banned him from sitting on my futon cuz he bent it and he can barely fit in my E30. Belly is seriously 4 inches away from dash let alone he's probably fucking up my seat. Says he knows he's fat but never wants to do anything about it, I try not to nag him cuz that gets someone to do nothing quick but at the same time you can't just sit there on the sideline. It's a lose lose situation with fat people. You can only do so much before it's up to them so maybe just having everyone do a fat index and tax how much excess fat they have could be a solution. If you want to be fat then pay more taxes LOL.

[joshh]

that's your solution to everything, isn't it. call everyone who disagrees a socialist, and bury your head in the sand. pretty strong argument. :p

Your solution is straight up Socialism. This system is broken because the closer we get to a full Socialistic system the more broken it will get. Our very system is proof of this. But then those who support it can claim it saves lives by giving the most basic of care. Which people could already get if they were more personally responsible about their own lives and government was less involved in trying to be the solution for everything.
We pay more for insurance because others are irresponsible. Because our system doesn't demand those who seek care actually pay for their own care. So let's just bend over backwards and bend to their will so those who are the most irresponsible get the most of the freebies. Sounds fair.
Sieg Heil!

[Farbin Kaiber]

The root of this problem is one thing I'm not jumping onto my typical standpoint soapbox. While I don't agree with this tax concept as a solution, I know something needs to happen, and if the money made from this tax was solely devoted to the financing of dietary education, I would stand behind it.

[nando]

^Socialism....nanny state. Not my fucking problem fatty let himself go.

that's your solution to everything, isn't it. call everyone who disagrees a socialist, and bury your head in the sand. pretty strong argument. :p

[stamar]

hehe i switched back to stock a long time ago. but its in the glove compartment.

i got it from a 84 318i in a junkyard that was wallmart riced out.

[Farbin Kaiber]

stamar, I gotta say, that shift knob in your sig looks like a Magic Bunny vibrator shaft.

[stamar]

yeah, shitty food has no nutrients. I think your body tells you that it needs more food because it's not getting enough nutrients. there are lots of morbidly obese people who are literally malnourished.

things are already way harder at 33 than they were at 23. I can't pull 5 hours of sleep a day anymore, I just don't recover like I used to.

I had heard that low grade infections greatly increase the appetite.

In some people and then the terrible food decreases the immune system.

[nando]

The crazy thing was, I was ALWAYS hungry, I couldn't figure it out, I was too stupid, I owned it up to being huge, and just having to eat a lot. Then my girlfriend brought something up to me in terms that made sense.

She said, "You don't expect a performance car to run well on shitty gasoline, do you?"

It made so much sense, I started changing things, and found I wasn't as hungry as I was before, I learned that before I was eating, but I wasn't feeding my body, I was always hungry because my body was looking for specific types of fuel, and I wasn't putting it in the tank. I WAS STARVING even though I was eating.

I'm still not where I want to be, but I've shifted quite a lot in my mentality, I still force myself to eat veggies I wouldn't otherwise eat. It's a conseious process, and it takes years to change bad habits that were easier to continue with, but the slope from 30-40 with those habits is a lot steeper than the slope from 20-30.

yeah, shitty food has no nutrients. I think your body tells you that it needs more food because it's not getting enough nutrients. there are lots of morbidly obese people who are literally malnourished.

things are already way harder at 33 than they were at 23. I can't pull 5 hours of sleep a day anymore, I just don't recover like I used to.

[joshh]

because you live on the same planet and share the same resources (health care, food, etc.). you can't seperate your existance from the world, you depend on "the system" as much as anyone else does. The stupid fat guy next to you is already costing you money by making your health care premiums skyrocket. what's the difference if we made it more expensive to eat shitty foods, other than he'd be healthier and more productive? and maybe not piss you off so badly?

^Socialism....nanny state. Not my fucking problem fatty let himself go.

[joshh]

you have a utopian (distopian?) view of just letting fat/stupid people die. that's fine - and sure, people should be more responsible. but they aren't. and they are never going to be - you can't solve that problem. but maybe, you could solve other problems, instead of sticking to an unworkable idealism.

it's like solving war by saying "can't we all just get along?" Well, we can't. but what can we do instead?

And you're trying to decide the outcome for people that they can only make for themselves. You're advocating "doing something". Yet what is it that you're going to do? Involve government into people's lives to make fat fucks skinny again and have the rest of the our society pay for it just like all the other evils people bring to the world.
Fuck em, they chose that path. They want out, they can work for it.

[nando]

Why is it my problem that the next door neighbor let his fat ass balloon up to over 350+ fucking pounds?
Sounds like you're advocating Socialism to me...ideology at work.

because you live on the same planet and share the same resources (health care, food, etc.). you can't seperate your existance from the world, you depend on "the system" as much as anyone else does. The stupid fat guy next to you is already costing you money by making your health care premiums skyrocket. what's the difference if we made it more expensive to eat shitty foods, other than he'd be healthier and more productive? and maybe not piss you off so badly?