Is there a god?

[Jean]

There is nothing wrong with discussing this topic again. After all, it is the Politics and Religion sub forum.

I like the cosmological argument for the existence of god. Basically, something had to have set the universe in motion, and whatever that mechanism is can be called god.

My problem lies with religion. Religion teaches people to not think for themselves and follow blindly. Religion teaches people that the material world doesn't matter, only some immaterial realm with which we don't have any evidence for is what matters. Religion teaches people to pray, and thus only make themselves feel better, instead of offer some sort of actual assistance. Religion teaches people to not take control and responsibility of their lives, let god take care of it. Religion teaches people that you shouldn't give yourself or others credit for good things that happen, god must have done them. Believe it or not, the message that religious folk hold so highly and preach from their soap boxes, is actually a bad one.

I had to quote this. Thumbs up.

[cale]

However, I do believe in God.

You're not an agnostic then. Agnostics do not believe in a god nor do they have disbelief.

[Exodus_2pt0]

I don't deny a higher power... I simply gave it a name in that sentence.

[Farbin Kaiber]

What if Jesus wasn't who he said he was? Just sayin....

Then he was crazy.

Here is a good read.

http://www.reporteroo.info/resurrection_of_jesus_the_christ.htm

[Cliche Guevara]

You're not an agnostic then. Agnostics do not believe in a god nor do they have disbelief.

Agnosticism isn't a position in the same way theism and atheism are, it's just saying that you don't have enough knowledge to take a position. It doesn't apply specifically to abelif in god. In this topic I see it as a cop out to avoid pissing off either side. Sure, you can never say definitively that there is no god, but that also applies to the question of whether there are ghosts or if there's a pink unicorn inside Jupiter. No one says they're agnostic about pink unicorns in Jupiter.

Of course there is a God, I'd like to see someone even come close to proving the Father, Son and Holy spirit don't exist!

Can you disprove pink unicorns in Jupiter?

And as far as evolution goes, the Bible never said organisms didn't do some of there progression that scientist have proven correct,which people call "evolution"(which is fin), But if your talking about Humans coming from some kind of aps, which didn't happen because the first humans were sent from God, Found in Genesis, I dont agree. If so why aren't monkeys having human babies today, or the other way around.

Evolution does not predict that chimpanzees will suddenly give birth to humans, it predicts the sort of slow, gradual change that is seen in the fossil record. In arguing that evolution does predict that you are either being disingenuous or have a severely misguided understanding of what the theory predicts.

[FunfGan]

Then he was crazy.

Here is a good read.

http://www.reporteroo.info/resurrect...the_christ.htm

Good read, as are the "Liar, lunatic or Lord" articles I've read.

[herbivor]

Religion is a bi-product of evolution of the human brain. There are a lot of evolutionary "mistakes" that carry through as species evolve. Religion happens to be one of ours.

[z31maniac]

People of the cloth...............why has God sent no messengers/messages/etc...............since people came out of the dark ages?

[yeaseth]

For those of you wondering about my monkeys having human babies comment, I wasn't completely serious ( it was from an episode of Ali G http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB5VXJXxnNU , very funny stuff go to 2:40 for my quote) And I cant prove those unicorns dont exist (so they totally could exist), you cant prove a negative, but I can prove God does exist in my life for sure. And make sure you guys don't rely purely on every "Christian" out there for your information, some are genuine and some I dont think have the complete Christ model in them just yet, Please don't use "Christians" mistakes to judge who Jesus is and what He can do.

Just look in the bible for your deep answers or ask a follower that you think is genuine, use your instincts and you can pray to Him and he will answer I guarantee it, Good luck everyone

[yeaseth]

And Id like to see you prove they exist.. Feel free to choose from explaining war, terror and hunger happening if theres a god looking afther all of us..

And yes God looks after us, I also know God ALLOWS things to happen. We do have free will ya know.

Question for you is:
First think about the small percent that is truly looking to the Lord.
Do you think all those things would be happening if the world were looking to Him, like they should be... Something to think about

[z31maniac]

We do have free will ya know.

Then is the sentiment that "God has a plan" something made up by followers, or is it actually mentioned in the Bible?

If God has pre-determined things, then you don't actually have free will.

[Kvasi]

And yes God looks after us, I also know God ALLOWS things to happen. We do have free will ya know.

Question for you is:
First think about the small percent that is truly looking to the Lord.
Do you think all those things would be happening if the world were looking to Him, like they should be... Something to think about

And, why (the hell) dont he just proove he exist so that all of us morons start spreading hugs instead of mayhem? Thats something for you to think about.. :)

[yeaseth]

Good question z3,You have to excuse my somewhat newness to being a believer but in my almost 2 years as a follower I'm still gettting into that part,but if you want to hear my opinion here it is :) I think predestined stuff is a touchy subject between believers and non believers, but what I have to say about that is, I think God has specific things he wants us to learn. "God has a plan" is biblical I dont know any exact verses from the top of my head but I think thats meaning you can still go to the store and by apples, and that was your choice but If he has some major events planned they will happen, I dont think every single event is "controlled" by him, I think He allows things to happen. Again thats just my opinion from what I have learned from my believer, Don't base your life of what I just said, read into it and I'm willing to help you find some verses if you want to look more into it too :)

[cale]

You cant prove a negative, but I can prove God does exist in my life for sure.

Maybe it's evidence enough for you, but it's certainly not proof for us nor has anything ever been presented which is irrefutable proof of god.

Just look in the bible for your deep answers or ask a follower that you think is genuine, use your instincts and you can pray to Him and he will answer I guarantee it, Good luck everyone

What a lot of theists can't seem to understand is that book holds absolutely no meaning for non-believers, so referencing it has little to no strength or purpose. It's as factual to us as Lord of the Rings is to you, and I doubt you would truly believe if I told you 1000 years from now that Frodo was the savior for the selfless sacrifices he made by destroying to ring.

As for prayer, you cannot guarantee that. And please don't use the cope out that your god doesn't always give us what we want but what we need, it's simply an excuse to dance around the fact that nothing resulted from your desires other than that which you made happen yourself.

[Farbin Kaiber]

People of the cloth...............why has God sent no messengers/messages/etc...............since people came out of the dark ages?

Who says he has not? Maybe you/people just are not listening.