Obama has gotten his healthcare and amnesty.... whats next?

[WhyNot]

Take away my student loans

Plz gobernmnt

;)

he will allow students to use organ donations as payment on a student loan

[CorvallisBMW]

No. Attempts have been made in the 1st months of the administration... Not to mention to manufacture and create a situation that dose not really exist Al LA F&F among other things.

"I just want you to know that we are working on it, We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar." - BHO to the Brady Campaign 3/30/11

What specifically has he done to indicate, push, advance or otherwise even hint at the very notion that he has any plans/desires/actions to introduce any gun control legislation or laws?

Oh wait, that's right.... he hasn't. The NRA has been blowing smoke up your and everyone else's ass for 3.5 years now about how Obama is going to take away all our guns and freedom and bullets and virgin daughters. Yet as Whynot pointed out, he's actually been expanding gun ownership and ccw rights.

so unless you can point to a specific action he has taken to limit gun control your entire statement is not just baseless, it's outright false.

[mrsleeve]

What specifically has he done to indicate, push, advance or otherwise even hint at the very notion that he has any plans/desires/actions to introduce any gun control legislation or laws?

Oh wait, that's right.... he hasn't. The NRA has been blowing smoke up your and everyone else's ass for 3.5 years now about how Obama is going to take away all our guns and freedom and bullets and virgin daughters. Yet as Whynot pointed out, he's actually been expanding gun ownership and ccw rights.

so unless you can point to a specific action he has taken to limit gun control your entire statement is not just baseless, it's outright false.

March 13 2009: The newly appointed (by the O-man) of the Defense Logistics agency ordered all the once fired military brass be destroyed so it could not be sold on the civilian market by commercial re loaders as moderate priced sporting/practice ammo. The brass is worth much more in casing from than shredded brass, so this would not only cost the tax payers a lot of money in lost recouped cost, and at the time ammo prices were sky high due to domestic and military high demands and that would have pushed prices even higher. Including for law enforcement to have practice ammo to use. This order was squashed by the efforts of 2 senators form Montana and lasted only a week end thanks to the shooting community acting quickly on it.

Then about a year latter, a company (ATK) was contracted to go to military instillation's and buy and shred the brass on site. The proceeds go directly to the instillation's discretionary funds so many are using this option to fill budget gaps. And only getting about 25% of the value of the casings because they are getting the value of destroyed raw brass.

F&F to try and bring legitimacy to the claim that 90% of guns in Mexico come from the US civilian market. Not true at all. But you have to manufacture the problem so you can do something about it..... Al la force the gun dealers via the ATF threatening to revoke their FFL if they didnt play ball and SELL to the red flags and suspicious straw buyers to give those bs claims some kind of validity

He endorsed the UNCONSTITUTIONAL Chicago hand gun ban, Endorsed a ban on Semi auto weapons and way more position restrictions, Voted No on preventing gun makers from being sued for damages when some one uses one of their products in a crime, Opposed a bill that would have allowed a person to defend them selves in thier home in Chicago. Wants a federal AWB back and made much stronger than the Clinton era AWB. Supports the US signing of the UN small arms ban treaty.


Really do I have to keep going this is just the shit I can think of off the top head. He cant and wont go after such things this close to his election. If elected it will be one of his top priorities then, as he dose not have to be on his best behavior to get elected again he can go after it all then. Thats assuming he has any kind of support in congress, prolly gonna lose that

[110stx]

Sharia law.

Yeah, that's the ticket for the Obamanator.

And then he's gonna nationalize alla KENYA!!!

THEN he's gonna name his own bad se'f PRESIDENT FOR LIFE and hire Joseph Kony as Director of Youth Culture.

[Vedubin01]

March 13 2009: The newly appointed (by the O-man) of the Defense Logistics agency ordered all the once fired military brass be destroyed so it could not be sold on the civilian market by commercial re loaders as moderate priced sporting/practice ammo. The brass is worth much more in casing from than shredded brass, so this would not only cost the tax payers a lot of money in lost recouped cost, and at the time ammo prices were sky high due to domestic and military high demands and that would have pushed prices even higher. Including for law enforcement to have practice ammo to use. This order was squashed by the efforts of 2 senators form Montana and lasted only a week end thanks to the shooting community acting quickly on it.

Then about a year latter, a company (ATK) was contracted to go to military instillation's and buy and shred the brass on site. The proceeds go directly to the instillation's discretionary funds so many are using this option to fill budget gaps. And only getting about 25% of the value of the casings because they are getting the value of destroyed raw brass.

F&F to try and bring legitimacy to the claim that 90% of guns in Mexico come from the US civilian market. Not true at all. But you have to manufacture the problem so you can do something about it..... Al la force the gun dealers via the ATF threatening to revoke their FFL if they didnt play ball and SELL to the red flags and suspicious straw buyers to give those bs claims some kind of validity

He endorsed the UNCONSTITUTIONAL Chicago hand gun ban, Endorsed a ban on Semi auto weapons and way more position restrictions, Voted No on preventing gun makers from being sued for damages when some one uses one of their products in a crime, Opposed a bill that would have allowed a person to defend them selves in thier home in Chicago. Wants a federal AWB back and made much stronger than the Clinton era AWB. Supports the US signing of the UN small arms ban treaty.


Really do I have to keep going this is just the shit I can think of off the top head. He cant and wont go after such things this close to his election. If elected it will be one of his top priorities then, as he dose not have to be on his best behavior to get elected again he can go after it all then. Thats assuming he has any kind of support in congress, prolly gonna lose that

You just beat me to it... almost word for word! Damn!

[CorvallisBMW]

March 13 2009: The newly appointed (by the O-man) of the Defense Logistics agency ordered all the once fired military brass be destroyed so it could not be sold on the civilian market by commercial re loaders as moderate priced sporting/practice ammo. The brass is worth much more in casing from than shredded brass, so this would not only cost the tax payers a lot of money in lost recouped cost, and at the time ammo prices were sky high due to domestic and military high demands and that would have pushed prices even higher. Including for law enforcement to have practice ammo to use. This order was squashed by the efforts of 2 senators form Montana and lasted only a week end thanks to the shooting community acting quickly on it.

How is recycling used metal anti-gun?? And did Obama make this decision or in any way have anything to do with it? Nope. Straw grasping level: off the charts

Then about a year latter, a company (ATK) was contracted to go to military instillation's and buy and shred the brass on site. The proceeds go directly to the instillation's discretionary funds so many are using this option to fill budget gaps. And only getting about 25% of the value of the casings because they are getting the value of destroyed raw brass.

You just said the order was squashed, so how could this have played out? Straw grasping level: catastrophic

F&F to try and bring legitimacy to the claim that 90% of guns in Mexico come from the US civilian market. Not true at all. But you have to manufacture the problem so you can do something about it..... Al la force the gun dealers via the ATF threatening to revoke their FFL if they didnt play ball and SELL to the red flags and suspicious straw buyers to give those bs claims some kind of validity

Actually, those numbers are true, serial numbers prove it. And F&F was dreamed up, started and the guns sold during the Bush administration. Straw grasping level: Fantasmagorical

He endorsed the UNCONSTITUTIONAL Chicago hand gun ban, Endorsed a ban on Semi auto weapons and way more position restrictions, Voted No on preventing gun makers from being sued for damages when some one uses one of their products in a crime, Opposed a bill that would have allowed a person to defend them selves in thier home in Chicago. Wants a federal AWB back and made much stronger than the Clinton era AWB. Supports the US signing of the UN small arms ban treaty.

How does endorsing a law that was legal and in effect at the time of the endorsement constitute an attack on gun rights? All your claims here are completely irrelevant and pointless as they all happened long before he was president or are merely statements of support with no weight or effect. Grasping at straws level: OMGWTFBBQ

Really do I have to keep going this is just the shit I can think of off the top head. He cant and wont go after such things this close to his election. If elected it will be one of his top priorities then, as he dose not have to be on his best behavior to get elected again he can go after it all then. Thats assuming he has any kind of support in congress, prolly gonna lose that

You've proven nothing, brought nothing to the table and added nothing to this discussion except more tin hat bullshit. You have no arguments because your entire original statement was false, and when called out on it instead of admitting you were wrong you tried to throw up a bunch of tired, irrelevant and incorrect BS.

The NRA has done a great job of making you and a lot of other Americans afraid of loosing their 2nd amendment rights under Obama, when in reality they're not under threat by him or anyone in his administration. They're also doing a great job of causing all of you equally small minded people to run out and horde ammunition and weapons, greatly driving up the price and creating record profits for munitions manufacturers (i.e. they're biggest donors and supporters)

I will repeat my initial statement: Show me one thing that president Obama has done to push for or in effect limit gun ownership/rights.

Care to try again mrtinfoil?

edit: Seriously. You're best argument that Obama is trying to steal all your guns is that he APPOINTED SOMEONE WHO ASKED FOR USED METAL TO BE RECYCLED. That's your best argument... This is a low point even for you.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Did you sing this same song when Cash for Clunkers destroyed all those cars that could have been used as partscars via junkyards?

[mrsleeve]

How is recycling used metal anti-gun?? And did Obama make this decision or in any way have anything to do with it? Nope. Straw grasping level: off the charts

It was being recycled to begin with, and being sold at 4 times the price of raw scrap brass in the form of casing. By attempting to take those millions of once fired brass casing off the market, it would have made ammo prices sky rocket in a already high demand low availability market. A way to control gun owners and to see what they could get away with. I think he also supported a 100% tax on ammo so this would have played right into this hands. While costing the tax payers a shit pile of money on lost "recycling value"

You just said the order was squashed, so how could this have played out? Straw grasping level: catastrophic

yup quick actions by the shooting community and some senators got the order reversed. But still this was a "test" to see how much we are paying attention. Even you can see this

Actually, those numbers are true, serial numbers prove it. And F&F was dreamed up, started and the guns sold during the Bush administration. Straw grasping level: Fantasmagorical

BULL SHIT

under Boosh the guns were not allowed to WALK out of the country they were stopped long before that point. Please educate yourself on this shit or google my claims you will find them to be accurate. this is an area I am well versed in..............

90% of the guns returned to the US for a serial trace show that stat. Well those guns were already checked by Mexicans. Most US origin weapons were actually sold to Police and the military down there.

http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=37856

According to ATF statistics, of the 21,313 guns submitted for tracing by the government of Mexico in 2009, only 5,444 of them (25 percent) traced back to federally licensed gun dealers in the United States. Similarly, in 2010, of 7,971 guns submitted for tracing by the government of Mexico, only 2,945 (37 percent) traced back to federally licensed gun dealers in the U.S.

and thats of 100s of thousands of total seized weapons in mexico

How does endorsing a law that was legal and in effect at the time of the endorsement constitute an attack on gun rights? All your claims here are completely irrelevant and pointless as they all happened long before he was president or are merely statements of support with no weight or effect. Grasping at straws level: OMGWTFBBQ

It shows his position and standing on such things, which are what his intentions are. Please you your brain here,


You know the old saying.......Actions speak louder than words? Yeah this applies here

[jrobie79]

[joshh]

I just can't wait for this to go into full effect so people can see the fucking disaster it will be.

[LBJefferies]

I just can't wait for this to go into full effect so people can see the fucking disaster it will be.

I am as conservative as they come but it won't be a disaster. It will have long term effects on quality and innovation and it won't really tackle the root problems of high costs and an unhealthy American population. BUT, it does make sure that everyone has access to healthcare with a cost proportional to their income and it will make it really hard for insurance companies to fuck over patients, which are definitely really good things. Things are going to be different than they would have been otherwise, but I would hardly call it a disaster.

[CorvallisBMW]

It was being recycled to begin with, and being sold at 4 times the price of raw scrap brass in the form of casing. By attempting to take those millions of once fired brass casing off the market, it would have made ammo prices sky rocket in a already high demand low availability market. A way to control gun owners and to see what they could get away with. I think he also supported a 100% tax on ammo so this would have played right into this hands. While costing the tax payers a shit pile of money on lost "recycling value"

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

What do you propose the government do with all those shell casings? Sell them to John Q Public so he can blow is face off while trying to repack them in his trailer park with a ballpeen hammer and then sue the government?

Do you honestly believe that Obama was behind this, pulling the strings and attempting to control ammunition purchases by artificially driving the up price through stopping a small fraction of a percent of the ammunition used in this country from being reused? SERIOUSLY?? You really, really need to get a grasp on reality. You're paranoid delusions and conspiracy theories are getting less and less believable.

[herbivor]

I just can't wait for this to go into full effect so people can see the fucking disaster it will be.

What particularly with the bill is a disaster? Or do you even know what's in the bill? Most people don't including the senators that voted against it. It's not a solution but it's a good start, just the beginning of several steps to solving the healthcare problem.

[gwb72tii]

What particularly with the bill is a disaster? Or do you even know what's in the bill? Most people don't including the senators that voted against it. It's not a solution but it's a good start, just the beginning of several steps to solving the healthcare problem.

that is almost reasonable
its another broken promise of no taxes on the middle class

as for all you yutes, part of the law outlaws price discrimination on account of age, so younger health care costs are going to skyrocket

me, i might just opt out and pay the penalty, er i mean tax. the penalty its 1% of my income which is 25% of what i pay now, and if i get sick no problem, there is no pre-existing conditions any longer so i can wait till im sick

[Vedubin01]

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

What do you propose the government do with all those shell casings? Sell them to John Q Public so he can blow is face off while trying to repack them in his trailer park with a ballpeen hammer and then sue the government?

This right here just showed how ignorant you are!