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[frankenbeemer]

I'm reasonably convinced there were at least two in the approximately one hundred (statistics would indicate about ten, I wonder who the other eight were) sailors I served with on SSN592. They seemed trustworthy enough for me.

[Kershaw]

And although this country has many seemingly theistic elements in its Constitution and laws, the fact that I don't necessarily agree with homosexuality, there is nothing that explicitly denies that freedom from a political perspective.

[Eric]

[FunfGan]

I said theistic. You really need to actually read shit before you try to post a witty picture. And because you continue to do that, I'm out of here.

[Kershaw]

i wasnt surprised at his personal view. he may be a bigot, but that's his view.

i am surprised he went on the record and said it though. that's not good business.

[rwh11385]

I said theistic. You really need to actually read shit before you try to post a witty picture. And because you continue to do that, I'm out of here.

Dude, you refer to the Constitution without reading it. You make claims about the Bible without reading it. You really have no place to get upset.

Besides, the point was that even if they mention a deity in some founding documents, the country never specified one - so why would we expect the one of some middle eastern sheep herders to be the foundation of our civil law?

[FunfGan]

i wasnt surprised at his personal view. he may be a bigot, but that's his view.

i am surprised he went on the record and said it though. that's not good business.

If It was a muslim company, I'd have more respect for the person if he came out and said he was in support of killing innocent young women(i.e. Sharia Law) than if he tried to deny it. That is, respect for having the balls to say it in the face of adversity.

Dude, you refer to the Constitution without reading it. You make claims about the Bible without reading it. You really have no place to get upset.

Besides, the point was that even if they mention a deity in some founding documents, the country never specified one - so why would we expect the one of some middle eastern sheep herders to be the foundation of our civil law?

Actually, I have read the entire Bible and entire Constitution :) but thanks.

Also, some quotes from from other founding fathers:


Ben Rush: "The gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations!"


John Witherspoon: "Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy of his country."


George Washington: "While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."

John Adams: "Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."

[slaterd]

Why does religion always get brought into a political discussion. I'm 22, white, and have a bangin german girlfriend. I also have 2 of the most flamboyant gay friends EVER! The thing is though is they are some of the best friends I've ever had. I think people are really afraid of gay people because they think after a while of being around them they'll start to act gay too. Not true.
The advantages of having a gay friend when you have a girlfriend:
1.You don't have to listen to her complain all the time about "Sheela" at work everynight.
2. Your gay friend and her will constantly give her makeovers and will make her look fucking HOT!
3. You can get some fashion tips if you're stylishly retarded.
4. A free home decorator is valuable.
5. If you're single GAY FRIENDS MAKE THE BEST WINGMEN!!!!!!!!!
I don't see what the big deal is about gay marriage. Let them be happy, it's their constitutional right to chase the ideals of happiness.

[Kershaw]

he also said...

The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815

I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson,

[rwh11385]

If It was a muslim company, I'd have more respect for the person if he came out and said he was in support of killing innocent young women(i.e. Sharia Law) than if he tried to deny it. That is, respect for having the balls to say it in the face of adversity.

WOW. :hitler:

What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be.

LOL. There is no such thing as utopia, only a place in which people in power believe it to be and many people suffer from lack of freedom.


And in NONE of those quotes do they say they wish to impose their beliefs on others.

[z31maniac]

If It was a muslim company, I'd have more respect for the person if he came out and said he was in support of killing innocent young women(i.e. Sharia Law) than if he tried to deny it. That is, respect for having the balls to say it in the face of adversity.

What the fuck are you talking about? What does honor killings have to do with this? (BTW Honor killings are because they believe the woman is GUILTY of something that has dishonored the family).


You should really, REALLY consider not making any more posts in this thread, or this section until you can stop shoving your foot in your mouth.

[FunfGan]

WOW. :hitler:


LOL. There is no such thing as utopia, only a place in which people in power believe it to be and many people suffer from lack of freedom.


And in NONE of those quotes do they say they wish to impose their beliefs on others.

You were arguing that there was absolutely no theistic ideals behind the founding of this country, I proved their was. Not once did I say anything about imposing their beliefs on others. I was showing that the people behind our country had those worldviews, and thus, are present in our laws and rights.

What the fuck are you talking about? What does honor killings have to do with this? (BTW Honor killings are because they believe the woman is GUILTY of something that has dishonored the family).

You're missing the fucking point. He said he was appalled somebody actually admitted to something that they believed in, and I responded saying that those who actually stand by their beliefs instead of hiding them, that they admit them, have at least 1 thing to be respected for.


Oh, so you're in favor of the many rulings in American court( almost all of which unconstitutional) in favor of Sharia law? Such as the wife and her daughters who were run into a river and killed by the husband for "dressing too American". You believe that constitutes enough reason? ;) Or the girl in NYC who was held down by her mother, and shot by her father for obtaining a drivers license and seeking college education? I'm not going to put words in your mouth(although that's the only thing that's been done to me in this entire thread), but that's what it sounds like you're talking about. And it's a little hypocritical to say their can be no Christian like ideals invading this country, all while letting the violence of Islamic religions kill and harm innocent young women.

I failed to see how I'm sticking my foot in my mouth, and you still haven't answered my question from before :)

[rwh11385]

You were arguing that there was absolutely no theistic ideals behind the founding of this country, I proved their was. Not once did I say anything about imposing their beliefs on others. I was showing that the people behind our country had those worldviews, and thus, are present in our laws and rights.

Please, tell me where I said that? !! (Just like where you said marriage was defined in the constitution and also where it was only defined as one particular thing in the Bible) In your wikipedia listing of fallacies, look up Straw Man - you're building one with an argument I never made because yours is full of lose.

You're missing that point that just because general moral values that are shared by multiple religions and cultures were used to build upon for universally accepted civil laws DOES NOT MEAN that one particular religion's definition (or multiple definitions) of marriage would be the basis for an entire nation which included a "separation of church and state". You can look to most religions and find similar principles such as not killing others, not stealing, not cheating, and be decent to others - so it's not surprising that people find common ground with civil laws in a melting pot of immigrants and those seeking refuge from religious persecution. Even atheists agree on basic moral principles. What people don't agree with, and what is un-American, is establishing civil law that oppresses others based on one religion.

I'm not going to put words in your mouth(although that's the only thing that's been done to me in this entire thread)

Pot, meet kettle. (see start of this post)

[Cliche Guevara]

1a. What have we been doing to progress life for thousands and thousands of years?

Honest question here: by "thousands and thousands" you mean "two hundred thousand," right? Definitely OT, but that struck me as odd.

[z31maniac]

Oh, so you're in favor of the many rulings in American court( almost all of which unconstitutional) in favor of Sharia law? Such as the wife and her daughters who were run into a river and killed by the husband for "dressing too American". You believe that constitutes enough reason? ;) Or the girl in NYC who was held down by her mother, and shot by her father for obtaining a drivers license and seeking college education? I'm not going to put words in your mouth(although that's the only thing that's been done to me in this entire thread), but that's what it sounds like you're talking about. And it's a little hypocritical to say their can be no Christian like ideals invading this country, all while letting the violence of Islamic religions kill and harm innocent young women.

I failed to see how I'm sticking my foot in my mouth, and you still haven't answered my question from before :)

What court rulings in favor of Sharia?

Actually what I was saying is that, innocent or not by our standards, those women aren't considered innocent in their culture, hence their fate.

it's barbaric and terrible, pointing it out doesn't mean I agree with it.

For fucks sake you're brilliant.