Not that it matters but, gays?

[Ryan Stewart]

We aren't discussing a negative here. It is merely a unknown.

And therefore, isn't. Don't pull that "intelligent design" pseudoscience bullshit. It is a negative. There is no evidence of existence, so there is no existence. Until factual, credible evidence exists of god is shown AND TESTED there is no god. God is every bit as real as the tooth fairy.

Also, god boy did not address the fact that Christians get AIDS too. Maybe the tooth fairy hates Christians as much as gays. Which makes sense because if there was a God he would be responsible for 100% of the gay people on this planet. Made in his image, he must look fabulous in pumps.

[travish325]

a. There is no god.
b. Even hetero Christians get AIDS. Its quite common among the devout in African nations.



Maybe he has a K1100RS.

Are you saying that gays choose to be gay, or are they born that way?

There is no moral problem with same-sex relations, whether chosen or innate. Two consenting adults licking each other behind closed doors? You couldn't possibly convince me to give a shit about such a thing. And they're adults, not children. That's the difference. Adults agreeing to bang doesn't hurt anyone.

And you might as well start your posts with the religious shit so we know you're nuts before reading what you say.

We aren't discussing a negative here. It is merely a unknown.

Eh its not an unknown. its pretty obvious if you just open your eyes and look around rather than just believing everything you see in the media. Im blessed at 21 with a wonderful life, wealth, a gorgeous wife, can go on and on. I've never been in need for anything and all I've done is have faith that my God will take care of me and chose to believe what I feel is right and not what the fake Christians most people think of believe because unlike most people in this world I can think for myself.

[streetwaves]

So you can insult me because you say I'm a nuts Christian and get away with it but people can't say anything about gays without getting in trouble for not be politicaly correct? That makes so much sense.

I don't know who you think I am, but you're not "in trouble." You stated an opinion I disagree with. I am in as much "trouble" as you are, and I could very well get some flak from religious people here who don't like my comment. That's how this works.

You say its more natural to have sex with another dude than believe in God?
I feel sorry for you but to each there own.

The word 'natural' does not necessarily have any moral value. Also, having sex with a dude is a decision based on the same natural processes in a brain that, in another person, cause them to have heterosexual sex. That there is nothing morally wrong with either of these decisions is the point.

[Ryan Stewart]

Eh its not an unknown. its pretty obvious if you just open your eyes and look around rather than just believing everything you see in the media. Im blessed at 21 with a wonderful life, wealth, a gorgeous wife, can go on and on. I've never been in need for anything and all I've done is have faith that my God will take care of me and chose to believe what I feel is right and not what the fake Christians most people think of believe because unlike most people in this world I can think for myself.

That isn't evidence of anything. It is an unknown. I am successful, have plenty of material wealth, in great shape and have a girlfriend. Its not god, its the tooth fairy. I have faith in the tooth fairy to see me through this life and you cant prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist.

[travish325]

That isn't evidence of anything.

You are evidence.

[Ryan Stewart]

You are evidence.

I am an alien. See, we can all make baseless statements. Its quite easy.

[streetwaves]

That isn't evidence of anything. It is an unknown. I am successful, have plenty of material wealth, in great shape and have a girlfriend. Its not god, its the tooth fairy. I have faith in the tooth fairy to see me through this life and you cant prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist.

The tooth fairy has given me a total of $1.75 in life. That's $1.75 more than god has given me.

[travish325]

I am an alien. See, we can all make baseless statements. Its quite easy.

Ok then.

[travish325]

I encourage you to read a book called Evidence that demands a verdict by Josh Mcdowell. You may be like most people these days who don't read anymore and just believe whats on tv but if you aren't I recommend reading it then we can continue this argument


He was like you guys. Started out trying to disprove God as an atheist but became a Christian in the end

[streetwaves]

I encourage you to read a book called Evidence that demands a verdict by Josh Mcdowell. You may be like most people these days who don't read anymore and just believe whats on tv but if you aren't I recommend reading it then we can continue this argument

Are you open to book recommendations?

[travish325]

Are you open to book recommendations?

Sure

[camshaftgsxr]

ITT a bunch of straight dudes say:

"i dont mind gay people, as long as they act straight in public."

personally.. i dont care if people are straight as long as they dont push it on me, pointing out pretty girls, having pictures of half naked women everywhere, posting thread after thread of half naked chicks on a car forum, mechanics with matco calenders on their tool boxes, kissing in public?? eww gross how dare you kiss a girl in front of me, or parade your wedding ring around. not to mention. its those mouth breathing, girl fucking heterosexuals that really piss me off, why cant they just act gay while they're in public? itd be so much easier to get along with them.

[be34st]

Eh its not an unknown. its pretty obvious if you just open your eyes and look around rather than just believing everything you see in the media. Im blessed at 21 with a wonderful life, wealth, a gorgeous wife, can go on and on. I've never been in need for anything and all I've done is have faith that my God will take care of me and chose to believe what I feel is right and not what the fake Christians most people think of believe because unlike most people in this world I can think for myself.

Not trying to prove or diprove anything really here, but explain this to me by your logic.

I grew up in a religious household with a religious single mom that suffered from depression and alcoholism. I was taught to pray and have faith in god growing up and I always did. Yet, I've been homeless more times that I can probably remember, been hungry slept in cars, seen my mom abused and all kinds of other shit. I dont really believe in any diety so much anymore and decided to take control of my own life. Now I'm successful at 23 with a nice place, beautiful woman, a couple cool cars and i don't really need for anything.

Was it god? Or was it me?

Back on topic:

What I don't understand is how people become gay all of a sudden. My best friend's dad from highschool was married for 8 years then got divorced and over the years has been becoming "gayer and gayer" for lack of a better term. He used to be a pretty macho guy, in terms of his mannerisms. No he has a boyfriend and talks a little different and just acts kind of like a female.

Another guy I work with has two kids and an ex-wife but is now gay and does drag on the weekends. wtf?

[DaveNorCal]

IMHO guys don't "become gay all of a sudden." There are lots of social pressures to be in denial or pretend. A majority of gay guys realized they were different by middle childhood but don't even understand what it was and stayed under cover. It used to be, say fifteen years ago, that guys would come out after they were out of the family home. These days many more are coming out much younger, and often get disowned. About one third of homeless youth are GLBT who were either thrown out or left home after their lives there were made a living hell. Gay isn't what the person does, it's what turns him or her on. That tends to be fairly stable throughout the life span, more for males than females.

[camshaftgsxr]

Back on topic:

What I don't understand is how people become gay all of a sudden. My best friend's dad from highschool was married for 8 years then got divorced and over the years has been becoming "gayer and gayer" for lack of a better term. He used to be a pretty macho guy, in terms of his mannerisms. No he has a boyfriend and talks a little different and just acts kind of like a female.

Another guy I work with has two kids and an ex-wife but is now gay and does drag on the weekends. wtf?

IMHO guys don't "become gay all of a sudden." There are lots of social pressures to be in denial or pretend. A majority of gay guys realized they were different by middle childhood but don't even understand what it was and stayed under cover. It used to be, say fifteen years ago, that guys would come out after they were out of the family home. These days many more are coming out much younger, and often get disowned. About one third of homeless youth are GLBT who were either thrown out or left home after their lives there were made a living hell. Gay isn't what the person does, it's what turns him or her on. That tends to be fairly stable throughout the life span, more for males than females.

denial is a bitch, lots of gay men have feelings and attractions to other men but are so far into being the way society deems as "normal" by showing heterosexual lifestyles and advertising with only heterosexual couples (how many commercials feature gay couples doing asinine things?) that they dont even have thoughts that they can be with a man in "that way" and many realize that these feelings are ok half way through a marriage to a woman they are trying to be attracted to.

oh... and hanging out with queens with make you a flamboyant waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles in no time. just like hanging out with football players makes you extra macho for a short time.


let the "ask a queer" segment begin