Not that it matters but, gays?

[frankenbeemer]

I approve of this thread.

[Kershaw]

Sure

The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. do yourself a favor and read it. if nothing else, your faith will be strengthened because you have heard the opposing argument and still believe. your faith is strong enough to handle a little critique, right?

i hang out with gay guys all the time. i have 4 gay friends i see on a weekly basis. hanging out with them has not increased the desire to stick a penis in my mouth. i just dont get why people think gay guys can corrupt america and turn everyone gay. that is not how it works. ask yourself this, do you like tittys? could you decide one day you dont like titties? i know i couldnt. and if you can, wow, you've got some serious control over your own brain.

why would anyone choose to be part of an ostracized group? a group where membership means almost daily harassment, possible physical abuse, and even death by violence? were christians running around nazi germany yelling, "IM A JEW! PICK ME PICK ME!" no. that's dumb.

and travish, what you call "common sense" is really just ignorance. opposites attract? so... im guessing you are really attracted to christian hating, stalin loving communists, right? dude. dont be ridiculous.

next time, before you go spouting off some silliness, please base your argument on on actual study. your own ingrained "common sense" will not do. even the people that i do not agree with most of the time on the forums (joshh, gwb, vdubin, and to a lesser extent mrsleeve) usually use a study to back up their argument. i will most likely do my best to argue as to why that research is wrong by providing other studies that i consider more proven. BUT, they arent shooting out of their ass like you.

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to what you can argue for.

[Calegrant]

Eh its not an unknown. its pretty obvious if you just open your eyes and look around rather than just believing everything you see in the media. Im blessed at 21 with a wonderful life, wealth, a gorgeous wife, can go on and on. I've never been in need for anything and all I've done is have faith that my God will take care of me and chose to believe what I feel is right and not what the fake Christians most people think of believe because unlike most people in this world I can think for myself.

Holy shit you are one hell of a simple simon.

[LBJefferies]

Eh its not an unknown. its pretty obvious if you just open your eyes and look around rather than just believing everything you see in the media. Im blessed at 21 with a wonderful life, wealth, a gorgeous wife, can go on and on. I've never been in need for anything and all I've done is have faith that my God will take care of me and chose to believe what I feel is right and not what the fake Christians most people think of believe because unlike most people in this world I can think for myself.

It's pretty ironic of you to call yourself a Christian and then say that you think for yourself. Thinking for oneself is definitely not the Christian way. You have the bible remember?

Yeah, attribute all the good things in your life to god instead of your own hard work and the hard work of others. I bet you're the kind of guy that would thank god for miraculously healing a dying relative instead of the hard working and knowledgeable doctors that actually did the job. And the worst part of it all, is that Christians preach everything from on top of a moral soap box. Well I will tell you what buddy, your beliefs are NOT moral. In fact, much of what the bible preaches is the exact opposite of morality.

And don't even get me started on the blind worship and belief in the absolute infallibility of the bible. Do you realize that the bible is a form of idolatry? Something that the bible itself prohibits.

[ak-]

This world of ours needs a good ole fashion Noah-style cleansing in my opinion.
We're due for one.

[ohthejosh]

Let the world live it's path. Whatever you want to believe keep on doing so and do not worry whether or not another persons beliefs are right or wrong. We all have our own lives, treat each other with the respect you expect, and just keep it moving.

Some people will have shitty lives and some will have splendid ones. It's no use in dragging out debates that get absolutely nowhere. There will be no way any lifestyle or beliefs will be removed from the face of the earth. You can definitely try and be the next Hitler but we all know how that shit would turn out.

Let's stop getting offended and just be happy that you are alive and well.

Just my two cents, I'm a Christian and I believe that there is a God and I can totally understand the whole there is no physical proof aspect of it but religion is not like science it's not all "when I see it I'll believe it" type deal. It involves faith which is something that needs to be experienced. Kinda like one of those "you had to be there" type stories. If you never experienced it you won't ever understand. May seem very naive and idiotic to some of you but that's fine. I will live my life how I prefer to live it. I will not impose religion upon you as long as you do not try to go out of you way to disprove my beliefs.

Leave it at "I believe there is a God" or "There is no God"

[e30e]

The constitution says in some words "all men are created equal" and "the right to pursue happiness" To me that states everyone is equal and everyone can do what they want when it comes to partners. Gay rights to me, is a civil rights issue and they deserve to have what I have, as a hetro male.

[z31maniac]

The constitution says in some words "all men are created equal" and "the right to pursue happiness" To me that states everyone is equal

As long as you are a white male.

[ohthejosh]

As long as you are a white male.

And if you happen to be a black gay male. You are only 1/3 gay. lol jk.

[mrsleeve]

^^ & ^^^

the original line was "pursuit of life liberty and property". But the founders feared, that the south would use that as a justification and precedent for the constitutionality of the practice of slavery. So the words property was changed to happiness, aka property.

during the founding and early colonization in the states, there were many examples of black people holding public office, business, and treated the very same as anyone else in fact the 1st true slave owner in the colonies was a black man him self!!!

[Swanny]

Just made me remember this scene.... http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=iNTV8...%3DiNTV8A3i8TE

[Swanny]

For the record im anti pda. I get fucking sick watching ANYONE get all over their partner in public. To suggest we need to have more heterosexual couples hamming it up in public to encourage "normal" relationships its so far out there.... I believe youre being offended by the in yourface nature of "im here im queer get used to it" because its part of winning a civil rights battle. Imagine all the militant feminists and black rights advocates in the 60's. talk a bout a mind fuck for people with a closed view of whats acceptable in society. It's going to remain in your face to you deal with it, treat the lgbt community like the humans they are, and just get the fuck over it.

[Kershaw]

[Pantless Spency]

lmfao^

[mar1t1me]

But I still don't consider being gay normal.

It may not be normal in a sense of percentage of population, but only a very closed mind would make the automatic leap to the idea that being gay is somehow both aberrant and abhorrent.

Gays have existed throughout history. They are not a product, as the religious right would have us believe, of the liberalization of sexual mores that occurred the 1960's