Veganism: Is it morally wrong to eat/kill animals?

[squidmaster]

human existence causes nonhuman animal suffering, not much to debate here. that is the baseline and i don’t see a way around that. my existence, however, is not to blame for the damage that capitalism does to other human beings. we had no say in the matter of being brought into our respective existences.

it takes a certain attitude to willingly make it worse for others, to kill, eat or otherwise exploit someone, to deny someones status as a autonomous subject. you have to have this attitude in order to be able to commit and defend these acts. degrading billions of sentient beings to mindless, numb objects, commodities with the sole purpose of fullfilling your temporary desire.

desire, not need.

greed, not necessity.

you have the capacity to lessen this suffering, you do not have to kill them to survive, you have options. you know vegans exist, although your understanding of veganism is utterly distorted. you know it must be possible to subsist without causing harm that can be avoided. yet you refuse.

ah, the “inuit defense”, classic. so, just because the inuit (replaceable by any other indigenous group) “have to” hunt to survive and therefore cannot be vegan, you can not be expected to go vegan either. in other words if everyone can’t be vegan, no one should go vegan.

makes sense right?

it strikes me as childish logic whenever this is brought up, because so many things are wantonly overlooked in order to make a point that can never hold up to any form of critical scrutiny.

in general, an act performed out of desperation and necessity, does not make violence against another being excuseable, but understandable and maybe even pardonable. if someone went out and shot their rapist, would you run around arguing that everyone is now free to shoot and kill anyone?

i would not.

i am thankful for being fortunate enough not to have to resort to killing or otherwise hurting someone when i can avoid it.

[Farbin Kaiber]

isn't it crazy how people can get food year-round at places like super markets or stores?

where the fuck is your herd of animals? where's your chicken coop? wheres your meat locker?

I can go get pictures of the coop when I go collect the mornings eggs if you'd like. Wanna see my milking/meat goats, ducks, turkeys too? What about the two cows we raise each year to keep meat in the chest freezer?


Suck my meaty dick bitch.

[CabbE30]

isn't it crazy how people can get food year-round at places like super markets or stores?

You can thank our vast superiority for that. The same superiority that has allowed us to domesticate our food so that our society can thrive.

People dont use animals for only food. You dont own any leather items?

[streetwaves]

you can get into the evolutionary traits of it all, but really humans are quite adaptable. go ahead and look up jaw difference. digestive differences. really anything. humans match up with herbivores almost completely, and with carnivores almost not at all.
either way, we now have a SUBJECTIVE moral CHOICE to make. Do we eat other animals, which we in NO WAY need to sustain ourselves, or do we live with reason and compassion and a sense for moral guidance for ourselves, our friends, and our planet?

Um, you're committing an obvious fallacy by comparing us to either herbivores or carnivores when there is a third choice called omnivores.

And yes, we are omnivores.

[squidmaster]

Somebody likes to buy the shame propaganda in large quantity. Let's not even get him started on the difference between leather, a natural product, and the synthetic replacements whit a much higher carbon footprint.

Mordants and other chemicals often used to treat leather are linked to nervous disorders, asthma, premature death, gynaecological disorders, weakness, dizziness, headaches, abdominal pain, nausea, constipation, skin and respiratory infections, cancer and other serious illnesses. According to an investigation by the New York State Department of Health, the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health and other agencies, those who work in tanneries may be greatly increasing their risk of testicular cancer. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that in an area near one Kentucky leather tannery, the incidence of leukaemia was five times the national average.

Often, animal skins used for leather are kept from biodegrading (going rotten) by using a variety of dangerous substances, including mineral salts (chromium, aluminium, iron and zirconium), formaldehyde, coal-tar derivatives and various oils and dyes, some of which are cyanide-based. All waste containing chromium is considered hazardous by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and other bodies.

consider this: nearly half of all water used in the US is used to raise animals for meat and leather! According to the EPA, factory farms are the biggest source of pollution of rivers, streams and lakes. In December 1997, the US Senate Agricultural Committee released a report that stated that animals raised for food and leather produce 130 times as much excrement as the entire human population - without the benefit of waste-treatment systems. A Scripps Howard synopsis of the report stated, ‘Catastrophic cases of pollution, sickness, and death are occurring in areas where livestock operations are concentrated’.

Wearing leather hurts animals, the environment, and the people who produce it. Care for the planet and all the species that inhabit it by buying readily-available alternatives.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/997151

[squidmaster]

Here's an article titled "cut your carbon footprint-- don't wear leather"

http://ecopreneurist.com/2008/10/09/cut-your-carbon-footprint-don%E2%80%99t-wear-leather/

[RUFFLZ]

how tf are you typing so fast?
my god P&R is giving me a migraine.

[Cabriolet]

you're telling me you could say no to:


WTFBBQ


I eat meat, and think is just fine. however torture of animals i'm not fine with.
If you care about the animal buy it from a 4H kid. Then have it professionally slaughtered. You know it was cared for and had a good life.

As for just general morality, per my religious beliefs, because that's really all a moral code is about; I believe you can eat all animals. However, some you really shouldn't because that are not for your betterment.

[cale]

Hey Squid wanna come to wing night?

[Farbin Kaiber]

squidmaster, have you ever taken antibiotics? Think of the poor families of those murdered bacterium.


What about those studies that showed that plants scream. Time for you to go on a hunger strike and drink only water, but you have to get it from the stream yourself, and don't boil it, you may kill a virus or amoeba.

[squidmaster]

@cabriolet: NO SIR! I grew up on a farm. I raised animals. I slaughtered animals with my hands. My "neighbors" (more farms) did the same. It doesn't matter how well the animals was treated during its life, you're still murdering it for a superfluous personal gain.

[Cabriolet]

i slaughtered animals with my hands.

murderer!!!

you're still murdering it for a superfluous personal gain.

Have you seen a vegetarian? they dont eve look "healthy." I eat meat for the betterment of my body. after all we have canines.

[streetwaves]

@cabriolet: NO SIR! I grew up on a farm. I raised animals. I slaughtered animals with my hands. My "neighbors" (more farms) did the same. It doesn't matter how well the animals was treated during its life, you're still murdering it for a superfluous personal gain.

You are very selective in the posts you reply to.

[Farbin Kaiber]

A personal gain like eating, oh the horror and morality.

Tell me what type of farm you grew up on.

[squidmaster]

I'm a vegan now BECAUSE of my exposure to animal farming.