Obama supports new bid to ban assault weapons.

[Exodus_2pt0]

\this is not the country our ancestors fought and died for. I have a feeling they would be appalled and ashamed at what we've turned it into.

On that, I think we can all agree.

[z31maniac]

MrSleeve. Attacking me personally is not gonna help your points of view come across. And don't take this personally, but constantly quoting ben franklin is retarded. Your using views of a man that lived in a different time period. With differing issues related to that time period. It has little to do with the current social climate and issues.

As far as the terminology thing, think of it the same as people use soda or pop in different parts of the country. And again don't take this personally but you kinda sound like a paranoid person, the constant "I need my guns for when the gov tries to take my rights" statements don't help. It's kinda like the crazy guy calling others crazy.

Guns don't preserve rights, cause if it comes to needing guns for that any rights you might be fighting for are already gone. At that point your using guns to protect you and your loved ones, not your rights. This is america after all, if you want to preserve your rights get out and vote, lobby, run for office. You know, the things that actually effect and shape your rights. We fought the revolutionary war to be able to establish these rights, not protect them. Theres a difference.

And it's not talking out of both sides of my mouth. I'm simply educated enough to be able look at both sides of the issue with an open mind. The answers are never left or right, they lay in the middle. And whats wrong with being progressive, progress is what moves things forward. Thats kinda the definition. (And personally I dont buy into any political party, parties are screwing this country up). This is a prime example of why theres an issue in the first place. Your so set in your ideology that anything outside of it is instantly wrong and berated. Thats simply being closed minded. This is why our country is spiraling to the gutter.

If your so worried about your freedoms, rights, and having them taken away then why not leave to a country that fits your ideology better. My suggestion would be Papua new guinea, you can have all the guns you want and theres no real goverment to take them away. Or theres plenty of good sized islands through out the world for sale where you could have ultimate freedom. Even creating your own micro-country there isnt that hard. I dont mean this in a mean spirited way, but as a legit question/comment. I have little faith in this country as a whole, whether that be the gov or the people, and am honestly looking at leaving to really experience what the rest of the world has to offer. I love the idea of america, what its supposed to stand for. But the reality our country doesn't match, this is not the country our ancestors fought and died for. I have a feeling they would be appalled and ashamed at what we've turned it into.

Yes, they would be ashamed of view points like yours.

I like that you can continue to ignore facts in favor of what you feel.

[sumoashe]

dannyyinst, I don't trust our gov one bit. Nor do I follow them blindly. You guys keep spouting this stuff but don't back it one bit. Lets see, we all still have our guns and yet the gov is completely corrupt and out of control. So obviously you having your guns isn't doing a damn thing in that respect. The simple truth is that its not you paying for these rights and freedoms. It's the victims of these massacres that paid. "Couple dozen more kids die, oh well, long as I get to keep my guns." So how many lives are your guns worth? The gun issue cannot be solved by more guns. Its self defeating, and simple common sense.

[Ether-D]

you guys wanna talk about abortion?

[Exodus_2pt0]

"Couple dozen more kids die, oh well, long as I get to keep my guns." So how many lives are your guns worth?

You're an asshole. Innocent lives have been lost throughout history over senseless acts of an evil man. Gun control is not going to stop it.

Fuck you for accusing gun owners of having that mindset, you narrow minded fool.

Just for the record, "my" guns haven't taken anyone's lives.

[Ether-D]

sumoashe is a gun owner, I am a gun owner, but I don't feel that I need a gun that can shoot umpteen bullets without a reload. That's all. Don't worry about my opinion. It's wrong. and yours, wrong too.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink.

[Exodus_2pt0]

sumoashe is a gun owner, I am a gun owner, but I don't feel that I need a gun that can shoot umpteen bullets without a reload. That's all. Don't worry about my opinion. It's wrong. and yours, wrong too.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink.

This is why panic response laws should not exist. Just because you don't want a standard 30 round magazine does not mean you should take away the right, scratch that, the ability for a responsible gun owner to make that the decision for himself.

Hey, while we're at it, let's make it illegal to drive a car that can go over 100mph, because who the hell needs to go that fast?

Meh, this is why I don't go into threads like this. Those who seek to take away seem to lack logical reasoning, be it plants, guns, or whatever other inanimate object deemed evil. The simple fact is this, many of the tragedies of the would could be avoided if people would just take some personal responsibility.

[Ether-D]

I totally agree about panic response laws. That's not what I want. I have always wished that these types of weapons wouldn't be allowed. Let's face it, it's way more "fun" to blow away a bunch of people with a big gun than it is with a truck full of fertilizer.

[Ether-D]

That's why video games aren't based on trucks full of fertilizer...

[Exodus_2pt0]

it's way more "fun" to blow away a bunch of people with a big gun than it is with a truck full of fertilizer.

You just hit the nail on the head.

When people consider acts of mass murder to be fun, society is the problem, not the means.

Focus on education. Raise brighter minds, have a brighter future.

I love to play violent video games, it is in our very nature to be violent. The thing, for me at least, is that I have no urge to end ANY life. Especially not for fun.

Video games aren't the problem either. Humans don't get an urge to be violent from playing violent video games, that's backwards. We get the urge to play violent video games because we ourselves are violent creatures, but that is besides the point.

Inanimate objects by design cannot be evil, it is the human being that decides how he is going to use it. So it seems pretty clear to me that we need to focus on the individuals who commit these crimes, and look for patterns. Find the pattern, locate the cause, then respond.

[Ether-D]

I feel you. It is society. And when society can handle big ass guns, they can have them back.

[sumoashe]

Its not an accusation when we have been threw countless numbers of these incidents and nothing gets changed, fixed, or improved. And I am a gun owner, and damn proud of the guns I own. The lack of progressive and forward thinking gun control policy that allows these things to happen is directly on gun owners heads, mine included. We set the policy, so when it fails it is purely on us. And I'm not refering to sandy hook or the others, but in general. Stop simply thinking about your own personal rights, and start thinking whats best for the whole country. Otherwise your own myopic views will lead to the things you fear.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
― Edmund Burke

And sitting around bitching stock piling weapons is doing nothing to solve the issues.

see i can use famous quotes too.

[Exodus_2pt0]

I'll give you some perspective here.

I sold my ar-15 about 3 years ago, along with all my toys to go along with it. I was out of work for 3 months without disability, and decided that a roof over my wife's head was more important than a gun.

Later I sold my 30-06 because I don't hunt anymore.

Now all I have is one hand gun, and my bow. Honestly I find the bow to be the most rewarding experience. It is such a strange thing, how devasting a bow is while being such a peaceful weapon to use.

I have no stock pile.


But I don't feel an urge to force responsible people to live like me. I speak from a stand point of non interference. I do not want to blanket every person under the same thing. Just because one guy goes and kills a bunch of kids, out of MILLIONS who own the same weapons, does not mean ANYTHING needs to be addressed. Does this make me heartless? Not really.

I just understand that bad things happen, and sometimes it is better to do nothing than to act irrationally, especially if it won't help the situation. The bad guy who killed those kids is dead, justice was served. End of story.

Tell me how gun control will stop these things from happening. Please, enlighten me as to how restricting the purchase of firearms will HELP the situation, when most crimes are committed with unregistered firearms, anyway.

[Ether-D]

unregistered guns were manufactured legally. that's how.

[Exodus_2pt0]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
― Edmund Burke


Good quote, the thing is... You have misapplied it.

Bad man kills people, good men show up, bad man kills him self. The evil did not triumph. The evil was stopped.

Now here we are, making nanny state laws telling us what we can and cannot own. Taking away personal responsibility so others can sleep well at night with some false sense of security that they are somehow safer because millions of honest, hard working good men can no longer purchase certain items.


There's your evil, and you are the good man standing by doing nothing.