Why you feel america is failing

[mrsleeve]

likely due to military/defense r&d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DUHHHH you say this like it a bad thing. Nearly every major human innovation in human history has been in support of the military in one way or another.

We the general population reep the benefits of all this new technology not long after its developed for the miltary. Much of our modern conveniences and life style can be attributed to military R&D. The computer, internet, Interstate highways, GPS, Nuke power, Sat/Cell phones, the space program, Antibiotics, super glue, lots of medical tech in general for getting the wounded out and back to where they can be fixed up, the list is fucking endless, and many every day things can trace their roots back 2000 years to military invention.

[Dozyproductions]

RD good. Military bases outside of the US, bad.

[BraveUlysses]

DUHHHH you say this like it a bad thing. Nearly every major human innovation in human history has been in support of the military in one way or another.

We the general population reep the benefits of all this new technology not long after its developed for the miltary. Much of our modern conveniences and life style can be attributed to military R&D. The computer, internet, Interstate highways, GPS, Nuke power, Sat/Cell phones, the space program, Antibiotics, super glue, lots of medical tech in general for getting the wounded out and back to where they can be fixed up, the list is fucking endless, and many every day things can trace their roots back 2000 years to military invention.

I love how you moved the goalposts from medical research and development to "all R&D" so your poor argument somehow becomes valid.

[mrsleeve]

I most certainly did not move any goal posts in this thread at all. We are not talking about H/C specifically here in this thread nor do I think I have mentioned it here. It was a generalized point that I used to show heribe, that while he claims Danes are happier, they are happy with mediocrity. THey dont really do much but pour their money into vast public services to maintain that mediocrity. While here in the States we pour huge piles of money into advancing our selves into the next big thing, to which the Danes will get to take advantage of as well.

If this was the H/C thread we had going a week ago you might have a point.............. Nice try though, you get a F for Failure to actually read the thread .

[evandael]

besides the evil gubment tax base.. do you invest in or support any forward-looking companies/organizations/charities/etc?

i don't think self advancement is benefitting the masses. it is selfish, and is benefitting you and yours and that's it.


is that the american way?

[mrsleeve]

You cant be serious........................

Honestly your much smarter than this

Edit: Just like on air planes in the event of a loss of cabin pressure secure YOUR OWN MASK 1st then help others. you cant help others with out 1st helping your self.


Sorry dont part take in the whole god thing
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[bmwstephen]

^ invisible hand

[BraveUlysses]

I most certainly did not move any goal posts in this thread at all. We are not talking about H/C specifically here in this thread nor do I think I have mentioned it here. It was a generalized point that I used to show heribe, that while he claims Danes are happier, they are happy with mediocrity. THey dont really do much but pour their money into vast public services to maintain that mediocrity. While here in the States we pour huge piles of money into advancing our selves into the next big thing, to which the Danes will get to take advantage of as well.

If this was the H/C thread we had going a week ago you might have a point.............. Nice try though, you get a F for Failure to actually read the thread .

My mistake, it was the healthcare thread where you used that terrible argument.

[sumoashe]

Top 10 innovative countries: Denmark leads world in 2010; Sweden, U.S. follow
By Andrew Nusca | January 13, 2011, 6:33 AM PST

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If you’re looking for innovation, look to the north, where you’ll find Denmark, the most innovative nation in the world.

That’s according to a roundup at RealClearWorld based on 2010 global prosperity data and analysis from the Legatum Institute.

According to the study, the most innovative countries in the world are the ones “who contribute to the general advancement of mankind’s wellbeing.”

How do you measure that? By looking at the conditions that could foster such activity, such as:

A strong entrepreneurial climate.
Low costs to starting a business.
Public perception of a good entrepreneurial environment.
A country’s ability to commercialize innovation.
IT and telecom infrastructure (ICT) that enables productive commercial endeavors.
So what did they find? Here are the top 10 innovative countries:

1.Denmark. High levels of innovation (it’s No. 2 in Legatum’s Prosperity Index), with the seventh-best R&D levels. ICT comprises 5 percent of total goods exports, and business startup costs are the lowest in the world. Best yet, Denmark has the second lowest level of inequality in economic development.
2.Sweden. This country ranks sixth for royalty receipts and spends more than all but one nation on R&D, at 3.1 percent of GDP. ICT exports make up 9.5 percent of total goods exports, and business start-up costs are the sixth lowest of any country. Equality’s big, too: Sweden ranks fourth here.
3.United States of America. It’s not just an American Dream: spending on R&D is about 2.2 percent of GDP, and income from royalty receipts (we’re talking about intellectual property here) is tops, totaling almost $92 billion. One downside: there’s a bit of backlash in perception, thanks to recent “over-regulation” by “all levels of government.”

Just to make the point clearer for you.

It was one example out of many. The socialistic states are more concerned about redistribution of money and providing services, as opposed to leaving the money in the private arena where it could be put to better use.

So to you a goverment doing it's job of taking care of it's people is a bad thing. When will people like you learn that socialist does not mean communist.

My arguments are getting tiring. Your useless points to try and pick fights for the sake of picking a fight has gotten more tiresome.

Let's see, you call people "fucking idiots" when they contradict you yet I'm the one picking a fight. Your of the mindset that your views and opinions are the only ones that are true and everyone else is wrong or a "fucking idiot". Even when faced with factual numbers you change the context in order to try and add validity to your statements. Sounds alot like other people from history, say hitler.:hitler: I'm trying to have a discussion, trying to see something from all view points. Not just my own. This is a discussion, not a contest of who can scream the loudest from their podium. After all, it's a internet forum. No one can hear you yell.

[mrsleeve]

So to you a goverment doing it's job of taking care of it's people is a bad thing. When will people like you learn that socialist does not mean communist.

My numbers speak for them selves its you whom has chosen to ignore the information presented.

Socialism is just plain wrong.

The trouble with Socialism is that sooner or latter you run out of other people money. - Thacher

Its also totally against the founding princpals that have gotten the US to where it has, and why people form all over the world for 1st to 3rd worlds are willing to give it all up for a chance to come here and make better life for them selves. Because they dont have any opportunity in where ever they are now.

The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. - Thomas Jefferson

A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

This sums up my core convictions on the topic. I would much rather be left alone and fail over and over again trying to make something better of my self, than to live in mediocrity and fairness that all should have the same things, it has not ever worked in the long run nor will it ever.........................

Let's see, you call people "fucking idiots" when they contradict you yet I'm the one picking a fight. Your of the mindset that your views and opinions are the only ones that are true and everyone else is wrong or a "fucking idiot". Even when faced with factual numbers you change the context in order to try and add validity to your statements. Sounds alot like other people from history, say hitler.:hitler: I'm trying to have a discussion, trying to see something from all view points. Not just my own. This is a discussion, not a contest of who can scream the loudest from their podium. After all, it's a internet forum. No one can hear you yell.

Lets see here. You pick a minute detail out of anyone that is not a far left loon to try and start shit with. Me that people working R&D here in the US aren't Americans. Where did I change any context with in this argument?? Oh you basing that on Braves post aret you. You fail as well for not reading.

Next, you are a fucking idiot you claim to know how the world works, but yet have this idea that its the govts role to take care of you or me or anyone else with a total disregard for what why and how this country is and has gotten where is has. You have an idealistic view of how you think the world should work and thats just not how it is.

Edit: I am done with you. Congrats you have done what h0lmes never could.................

[sumoashe]

My numbers speak for them selves its you whom has chosen to ignore the information presented.

What numbers? You provided a chart, with no numbers. I provided the numbers. And as stated 2008 was the most recent correlating data I could come across quickly.

Socialism is just plain wrong.

Then get rid of medicare/medicaid. Social security. Government backed pension's, and all retirement funds that have outside contributions. As well as all state or government subsidized programs. Which includes any form of infrastructure. Basically anything that tax payers money is used on. Because that is socialism at work dumbass.

Where did I change any context with in this argument??

You changed the context when you tried to dispute the numbers (r&d/gdp) by questioning whether they were private or public sector. Which came from the graph you posted, which doesn't distinguish between the two. Giving only a dot size matrix with no actual numbers. So where the hell are your numbers?

I would much rather be left alone and fail over and over again trying to make something better of my self, than to live in mediocrity and fairness that all should have the same things, it has not ever worked in the long run nor will it ever.........................

You are talking about communism, not socialism. Learn the fucking difference. As far as socialism not working, argue that with the danes. It's been around since the 10th century. A hell of alot longer than us.

Next, you are a fucking idiot you claim to know how the world works,

Again, I have not once stated how the world works. I have stated my opinion on how I would like to see it work. Where as you have point blank said "this is how the world works". Why is it every time you come into a discussion it turns into a goddamn argument with you telling everyone their wrong and are "fucking idiots"? Learn to have an adult conversation, only children try to yell the loudest and name call to get their views across.

[gwb72tii]

the world's huddled masses yearn to emigrate to denmark.

[mrsleeve]

^
News to me, huh when did that happen???

Then get rid of medicare/medicaid. Social security. Government backed pension's, and all retirement funds that have outside contributions. As well as all state or government subsidized programs. Which includes any form of infrastructure. Basically anything that tax payers money is used on. Because that is socialism at work dumbass.

YA think............... I was not around when it was passed into law, its a system I have been forced to participate in, just because I have to participate does not mean I agree with it. I am all for getting rid of them. Give me my money back out of them I dont care if its interest free just give it back to me and I will be on my way. I dont expect any of those programs to be solvent when I retire and even if they are I dont expect to be able to draw on them since I have been planing on taking care of my self. Since I will have my own wealth I wont "need" the govt program and there for all that money I have paid it will essentially be stolen from me to give to others.

There are things taxes are good for and necessary Roads, and Infrastructure, defense, are among of those things that does not make the socialistic in nature. Your not going to get away with the You didnt build that argument for the 0 with me.

You changed the context when you tried to dispute the numbers (r&d/gdp) by questioning whether they were private or public sector. Which came from the graph you posted, which doesn't distinguish between the two. Giving only a dot size matrix with no actual numbers. So where the hell are your numbers?

Bull shit I asked for a clarification in your cited data thats not changing the context. You dont read graphs well do you.

You are talking about communism, not socialism. Learn the fucking difference. As far as socialism not working, argue that with the danes. It's been around since the 10th century. A hell of alot longer than us.

Yeah and look where and how the fastest jumps in technology and standards of living happened in all of HUMAN HISTORY (little hint the free republics of the world). Humans were stuck at the 10th century standard of living for the better part of the last 5000 years of recorded history................. (with a few short promising blips) DURRRR The danes were a fierce warrior tribe that went out and plundered the world and took what the wanted when the wanted. May happs you have heard of them, VIKING, and comparing a agrarian society where all helped each other out a means of pure survival from day to day, to today's brand of socialism is hardly a valid one.

Again, I have not once stated how the world works. I have stated my opinion on how I would like to see it work. Where as you have point blank said "this is how the world works". Why is it every time you come into a discussion it turns into a goddamn argument with you telling everyone their wrong and are "fucking idiots"? Learn to have an adult conversation, only children try to yell the loudest and name call to get their views across.

Wish in one hand shit in the other, see which one fills 1st. Yes you are idiot, you want everything to be fair and even and what you think is Just, but you wane everyone else to pay for it. Its nice that you feel some debt to your fellow man, but why do insist on repaying that with everyone else's money????

I think mr Franklin says it best

I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. - Ben Franklin

Repeal that [welfare] law, and you will soon see a change in their manners. St. Monday and St. Tuesday, will soon cease to be holidays. Six days shalt thou labor, though one of the old commandments long treated as out of date, will again be looked upon as a respectable precept; industry will increase, and with it plenty among the lower people; their circumstances will mend, and more will be done for their happiness by inuring them to provide for themselves, than could be done by dividing all your estates among them. - Ben Franklin


Edit: shall we have one more lesson

The food stamp program, part of the Department of Agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever.
About 46.514 million Americans received aid, up from 46.286 million in November, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said today in an e-mail. Participation was 5.5 percent higher than a year earlier.
No one should go hungry in America. FNS provides children and low-income people access to food, a healthful diet, and nutrition education. We help nearly one in four people. Check out our programs to see if we can help you or your family.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fns/

Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Department of Agriculture, asks us to "please do not feed the animals" because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.

"Please remember that feeding wildlife encourages “begging” and dependency on humans.
The larger the animal, the more assertive animals become in demanding food from humans. Always use food lockers to prevent bears and other wildlife from pillaging your food supply.
http://www.nps.gov/whis/faqs.htm

http://www.fs.fed.us/safety/

You know the whole teach a man to fish and what not

[PetrolHead951]

We need to take back control of our country and put the fear of voters back in our elected officials. Next election I'm not voting Republican or Democrat, I'm voting against all incumbents. It's time to clean house... and senate.

[herbivor]

It was a generalized point that I used to show heribe, that while he claims Danes are happier, they are happy with mediocrity. THey dont really do much but pour their money into vast public services to maintain that mediocrity. While here in the States we pour huge piles of money into advancing our selves into the next big thing, to which the Danes will get to take advantage of as well.

I'm not trying to defend Denmark or anything, but I think you are making some weak generalizations that all democratic socialist countries are "happy with mediocrity." I guess given a choice of being part of a system that rewards greed versus part of a system that rewards sharing, you'll take the one that rewards greed, despite the fact that the happiest countries in the world happen to be democratic socialists.

BTW, we wouldn't be the country we are without the generous loans from the Danes that got our economy started. Thank goodness they like sharing.