Why you feel america is failing

[Mr. Tasty]

You are providing facts from high league schools. Is it a must to have the education from Harvard, or will a state school be too low for you. Your argument is invalid.

[Dozyproductions]

The attitude towards it doesn't change the fact that these sort of things happen. And changing the public attitude towards it won't keep it from happening. Ignoring something doesn't fix it.

I agree nothing is predetermined, but sometimes you can end up screwed no matter what you do. Nothing in this life should come for free. Whether that be living off welfare cause you feel your entitled to it, or altering policy cause your wealthy and feel entitled to do so. In either case it's the same thing to me. People simply feeling they've earned something they haven't. But you cannot fix the one without fixing the other.

I've spent my life working my ass off for everything I have. I have nothing that I don't own outright. If I couldn't afford it in cash, I didn't buy it. I could of taken the easy route at many points. But I didn't, simply cause it's not what I felt was right.

Whether rich or poor, you should be entitled to nothing other than what your willing to work for. But unfortunately people on both sides of that spectrum have sunk this country into the craper. It's us in the middle that get screwed tho. But inaction will do nothing to stem those on either side.

It's not enough to point out the problem because the solution will always been carried out by action! Your complaints alone carry no value in any actual physical response so in fact you're the one ignoring the problem and well... you let others who are actually in that situation figure it out for themselves. There is plenty of available resources in this country, it's just finding something in yourself to go ahead and use them.

No worries though, it kind of ties in with my conditioning statement earlier. You're conditioned to know that society is fucked up but you're also conditioned to not do anything about it.

The change you want will not come from some Joan of Arc type but will happen from individuals waking up to the realization of their own empowerment and ignoring all the incentives that become dead ends.

[Mr. Tasty]

There is plenty of available resources in this country, it's just finding something in yourself to go ahead and use them.



The change you want will not come from some Joan of Arc type but will happen from individuals waking up to the realization of their own empowerment and ignoring all the incentives that become dead ends.

love this

[2761377]

Although you are correct in their use of the word god as being placed within the document. That doesn't mean that it was the same definition of god that you use. In this you would be juxtaposing your beliefs on those of the founding fathers. The word "God" is a generic one. Meaning different things to different people. So your both right and wrong.

one more time- the word "Creator" has only one meaning- he who creates. in the document it is used in conjunction with "Men"-

any other spin is your invention. If you want call him Yahweh or whatever the founders are referring to the commonly held (at the time) belief in the Judeo/Christian supreme being.

your vacuous rambling on freemasonry has no merit and is certainly not a reliable citation of a primary source. which, in historical research is the standard of proof.

BTW, the correct spelling of the contraction of 'you are' is you're

[Q5Quint]

I was lucky to get a half-vocational education in highschool. We were the only school in the county that still had a metals/welding program (the teacher had no funding and wouldn't quit or die- we built and sold trailers to fund the program.) I had an excellent auto-tech class that led me to a job at Napa. We had a drafting class that allowed me to have the job I have now, 10 years later. There was a carpentry class, though I never took that one.

That was the 'secondary school' ie community college route, not the 'college/university' route.

I was also in AP classes with all the smart kids... but I wonder how many of them have full-time jobs now with benefits vs the community college kids. The ones I was friends with back then are still in school working on masters/phd stuff which is great.... but will they actually find a job?

I think education revamp is a big need. We are the biggest most awesome country in the world.... so why are we not educating our people to be awesome? That would cost a fraction of the defense budget and the people that actually cared to move forward would then have that option.... instead of the people motivated by money or the people who are there 'just to get the piece of paper'.

[Wiglaf]

the education system could use some work but i certainly don't think it's the largest problem we have. Most people seem to be smart enough for what needs to get done.

If you think of gangbangers that don't get through school as a problem with education system, that's a misdiagnosis of the problem.

[Q5Quint]

I think the problem is in the aspirations of our younger generation. They are not trying to make our country great, they are not trying to build up fortunes and families and be a part of the economic engine that america was. Most of them are content to work a shit job and then play xbox all day.

Which means little/no money left over for the gubbment to spend on anything.

Literally 90% of the folks I know around my age are in this category. Substitute xbox for heavy drinking and bars. 25-35 years olds.

College educations and loan payments, cant find a job except at subway, eventually stop giving a shit and start enjoying life for what it is. Add in a baby or two on top of that and how the hell are we supposed to get the middle class out of debt? Either not let them go into debt (mostly for college) or raise the minimum wage and hope they can pay their shit off faster than inflation.

[Dozyproductions]

I believe our political system represents more a corporate oligarchy than anything else. That translates to the populace having a hyper faith in consumerism. Material possessions, and money to buy them, have become the only way to measure one's socioeconomic status and therefore their self value as a human being. This represents an imbalance in the human condition since there is undoubtedly more to life than the pursuit of (not happiness anymore but...) money.

Such trends breed an overly inflated sense of individualism, coupled with human nature and artificially injected hate in the world, translates into untethered selfishness. Such a model creates the huge gaps we see today between the haves and the have nots and thus creating an American economic class system that relates to older Indian and European cast systems.

I feel like this stemmed from the humanism/ist movement introduced to us again in the enlightenment period. The over emphasis and use of the male part of the brain has made us an overly hard science dominated race. I'm not saying science is bad but rather im referring to the idea of ying and yang. Ultimately the universe as a whole tries to achieve balance. Humans beings so imbalanced in our thinking makes us out of tune with the macro picture, the universe, and 'thusly' the micro picture...aka the power of our humanity and its connection with the planet. That's how people can be so wicked... not because its natural human nature but it's our over compensation for trying to achieve an sense in the world... aka achieving balance!

I know nothing in here is in order and if this was a real paper I would of written it better but im operating on 48 hours of no sleep and for an epileptic that's just plain stupid ;)

[slammin.e28]

America is failing because when we invade someplace we don't take advantage of it and just set up some government and leave. Also, we give money to countries who hate us. Hate us enough? We should invade and take advantage of the natural resources there to make our country better.

Lets kick it old school UK imperialistic style.

[InuFaye]

America is failing because when we invade someplace we don't take advantage of it and just set up some government and leave. Also, we give money to countries who hate us. Hate us enough? We should invade and take advantage of the natural resources there to make our country better.

Lets kick it old school UK imperialistic style.

There was an old movie with Peter Sellers where he did exactly this. His country was on the verge of collapse so they declare war on the US, and surrender the next day so the US would send them aid.

[slammin.e28]

There was an old movie with Peter Sellers where he did exactly this. His country was on the verge of collapse so they declare war on the US, and surrender the next day so the US would send them aid.

The Mouse That Roared

[Wiglaf]

America is failing because when we invade someplace we don't take advantage of it and just set up some government and leave. Also, we give money to countries who hate us. Hate us enough? We should invade and take advantage of the natural resources there to make our country better.

Lets kick it old school UK imperialistic style.

You think we would do that if it didn't give us an advantage? You underestimate us.

Maintaining the area as several smaller countries makes the resources much easier to exploit.

[mulletman]

Our problem has multiple parts, from my point of view. Firstly, it is largely financial. The tax burden placed on middle class households is insane. We do this to support our ridiculously large government. The reality of the situation is that any job that absorbs more tax money than it generates is a net loss for society. Eliminating these useless positions would help significantly. There are a few that are necessary... some Law enforcement, Education, some Military (the current spending is out of control)... Many could be eliminated. Those same people that used to hold those jobs would then be forced to go find work that actually contributes to society.

Secondly, we have a distinct lack of accountability. Life used to be harsh, and unforgiving. If you didn't farm your land and pack away food, you and your family starved to death that winter. There are very few jobs anymore that have harsh consequences. From the perspective of a person who has one of these jobs, this becomes frustrating from a compensation point of view. If I fuck up, my life and the lives of the other 79 people in the back may very well come to an end. That's on me, and I'm under-compensated for that level of responsibility.

Thirdly, compensation needs to increase across the board. Labor has been de-valued far too much. Management rakes in the cash while they sit and jack off at their desk, while the people who actually get shit done make nothing.


In short: Far too much government/regulation, not enough accountability, not enough freedom, and pathetically low wages.

[dishwab]

Every one has the same fucking opportunity to succeed in this country, it just depends on if your willing to do what it takes to do so. Or are smart enough to take advantage of the opportunity presented to you.

I'm a little late to the party, but holy shit is that statement laughable. If you really believe that you must be living in quite a bubble.

[mrsleeve]

I'm a little late to the party, but holy shit is that statement laughable. If you really believe that you must be living in quite a bubble.

People like you are the problem not me. I believe no matter how humble your origins, how deplorable your living situation may be, you have just as much opportunity to drag your ass out of it as the next guy, you just have to work a little harder to do so.

We are not talking about mommy and daddy paying for your post secondary education or giving you everything from a good job at the family business and over paying you for it or paying for your every need though your trust funds. We are talking about the fundamental freedom to make your own way in life and sink or swim. We are talking about people who have NOTHING or came to this country WITH NOTHING, and now have or have created much of the very things we take for granted every day.

Sure some people have the deck stacked against them, and some have the benefit of former generations in their families success, sure there is some luck involved in it too. That still does not change the fact you can go out and make your own success no matter where you were born, went to school, or any other factor. You have the same opportunity as the next guy to drag your happy ass to the upper east side (if you dont get the reference then look up the jeffersons).

Those that raise them selves above their humble beginnings are the back bone of what makes this country what it is. Bottom line success wont come to those who wait for it to find them, you have to go out and find it or make it for your self.

I’m a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it. - Thomas Jefferson

I found my life really started to improve for the better after I started to try and live by this quote.


For the record I grew up in one of the POOREST counties in MI full of nothing but abject poverty and farmers, not all that far from your shit hole of Detroit, my parents raised us on less than I paid the feds in taxes last year. Now I do very well for my self, I have to make some tough sacrifices to make that happen, but you do what you have to do to make something of your self.

I am nothing special and remarkably average, IF I CAN DO IT ANYONE CAN.............................


whats your excuse ????