Navy Yard Shooting

[tjts1]

Meanwhile back in the real world another 13 people are shot in a single attack including a 3 year old. I'm sure the guns had nothing to do with it... right?

Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said a mass shooting at a South Side park shows why assault weapons should be banned, saying it was a "miracle" no one was killed when someone opened fire with a high-powered rifle at a pick-up basketball game.

"A military-grade weapon on the streets of Chicago is simply unacceptable," McCarthy told a news conference this morning, 12 hours after a 3-year-old boy and 12 other people were shot during at Cornell Square Park. All are expected to survive.

"It's a miracle there has been no fatality," he said. "Illegal guns, illegal guns, illegal guns drive violence."

At least one gunman, maybe as many as three, walked up to the park's basketball court in the 1800 block of West 51st Street around 10:15 p.m. Thursday and opened fire, police said. Thirteen people who were on the court or were watching the game were hit, many of them in the arms or legs.

The 3-year-old, Deonta Howard, was standing on the court and was shot near the ear, the bullet exiting through his cheek, according to police and relatives. His family said the boy is expected to recover but will need plastic surgery.

"They need to stop, they need to stop," said the boy's grandmother, Semehca Nunn said, the last word coming out as almost a shriek as she closed her eyes and collapsed crying outside the hospital.

Three of those wounded, including Deonta, were in serious to critical condition this morning. The others ranged from fair to good condition, including a 15-year-old boy and a 17-year-old girl.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,352520.story

[frankenbeemer]

English motherfucker, do you speak it? Try again.



Sleeve, nobody gives a fuck about your off-the-cuff "analysis" of some shitty link that corvallis posted.

Do you have factual data to back up your assertion that nutjobs specifically pick gun-free zones to commit mass murder? I suspect you don't have any evidence to back your assertions.



Most theaters are owned by corporations as a matter of corporate policy, firearms are frequently not allowed on their properties. If you do carry a concealed weapon on their property, they cannot charge you with anything but they can give you notice of trespass and ask you not to return--many people still conceal carry despite this.

I don't think anyone besides you have asserted that James Holmes intentionally skipped other theaters to find a "gun-free" one.

Keep in mind you're trying to assume that James acted logically, but he has entered a plea of not guilty by insanity.

There has been much speculation (not nec. in this thread) about the choice of theatres. I do not know the shooter's reasons, but these kind of massacres predominately occur in "gun free zones".

I think you are in error to imply that an insanity defense means that the perpetrator must have acted illogically. It has been reported that he planned the assault two months prior and purchased his tickets twelve days before.

I was also under the impression that most concealed carry laws have a criminal penalty associated with violating a properly posted prohibition against concealed carry. Are you certain Colorado has no criminal statute that would apply in that situation?

[BraveUlysses]

Ahhh so its your argument that its just a Coincidence that it happens where CCW is bard more often then where people are allowed to carry lawfully concealed firearms then???

English motherfucker, do you speak it? Try again.

I see, if you do a little of your own leg work you will see everything I have posted in response to each of those incidences is 100% factual.

Sleeve, nobody gives a fuck about your off-the-cuff "analysis" of some shitty link that corvallis posted.

Do you have factual data to back up your assertion that nutjobs specifically pick gun-free zones to commit mass murder? I suspect you don't have any evidence to back your assertions.

It seems obvious to me. Didn't the theatre shooter pass several other theatres en route to the "gun-free" one where he committed his heinous crime?

Most theaters are owned by corporations as a matter of corporate policy, firearms are frequently not allowed on their properties. If you do carry a concealed weapon on their property, they cannot charge you with anything but they can give you notice of trespass and ask you not to return--many people still conceal carry despite this.

I don't think anyone besides you have asserted that James Holmes intentionally skipped other theaters to find a "gun-free" one.

Keep in mind you're trying to assume that James acted logically, but he has entered a plea of not guilty by insanity.

[frankenbeemer]

So...no, you don't have any evidence to back up your claims that these incidents are intentionally chosen because they are "gun free zones".

It seems obvious to me. Didn't the theatre shooter pass several other theatres en route to the "gun-free" one where he committed his heinous crime?

[mrsleeve]

Ahhh so its your argument that its just a Coincidence that it happens where CCW is bard more often then where people are allowed to carry lawfully concealed firearms then???

I see, if you do a little of your own leg work you will see everything I have posted in response to each of those incidences is 100% factual.

[BraveUlysses]

I have played that game not all that long ago, with darrin when he posted shock article about all the "mass shootings" in the last few months, though it leaves out all most all the examples where off duty police or armed civilians bring the violence to a stop.

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...&postcount=204

So...no, you don't have any evidence to back up your claims that these incidents are intentionally chosen because they are "gun free zones".

[mrsleeve]

Do you think this guy picked this place for his killing spree because it was:

1) where he was employed at
2) gated and secured building with armed security guards, but employees are not allowed to carry personal weapons
3) because crazy



I think you need to add validity to your comments, through some analysis of statistics to make the claim you're reaching for here. What percentage of mass murder are perpetuated in gun free zones compared to those that are not?

I have played that game not all that long ago, with darrin when he posted shock article about all the "mass shootings" in the last few months, though it leaves out all most all the examples where off duty police or armed civilians bring the violence to a stop.

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showpost.php?p=3510927&postcount=204

[Vedubin01]

[BraveUlysses]

This took place in a govt owned facility there for is a gun free zone just like all other military bases ( *cough fort hood *cough ) court houses, police stations, city halls, hosipitias, schools etc.... and othere places of private property where posted.

Do you think this guy picked this place for his killing spree because it was:

1) where he was employed at
2) gated and secured building with armed security guards, but employees are not allowed to carry personal weapons
3) because crazy

Yup seems to have picked up weapons from security lockers or police he got the upper hand on. You stil can't seem to give me a resonable argument as to why these nut balls nearly always pick a place to comit these acts where law abiding citizens are disarmed by law other than to tell me its a poor argument.

I think you need to add validity to your comments, through some analysis of statistics to make the claim you're reaching for here. What percentage of mass murder are perpetuated in gun free zones compared to those that are not?

[M-technik-3]

Military Posts are gun free but they do not require you to walk through a metal detector. Some, facilities do though.

[mrsleeve]

This took place in a govt owned facility there for is a gun free zone just like all other military bases ( *cough fort hood *cough ) court houses, police stations, city halls, hosipitias, schools etc.... and othere places of private property where posted.

Yup seems to have picked up weapons from security lockers or police he got the upper hand on. You stil can't seem to give me a resonable argument as to why these nut balls nearly always pick a place to comit these acts where law abiding citizens are disarmed by law other than to tell me its a poor argument.

[BraveUlysses]

Yes you seem to come across as one of the whishy washy gun people. Gun free zones are where nearly all these instances happen because the chance of running into someone that might be able to meet force with force is much lower. Crazies are crazy that does not mean they are stupid, and it is a fact of the matter, and a factor in the discussion none the less. What you seem to discount as a non issue I see as one of the issues perpetuating these kind of events, not to mention the amount of attention the news gives these tools, that even in death is the attention they wanted, and this is the best way to get it.

Employers have every right (and plenty of good reasons) to not allow firearms on their property while you are at work. This isn't a gun free zone like a school, so I don't know why you're trying to make some sort of equivalence here, it doesn't fit at all. There were armed security guards in the building, whom he murdered and that is how he acquired a handgun.

Not having the same opinion as you doesn't make me wishy washy.

Sorry the latter portion of that post was not meant for you, it was in response not as much too the the troll but those that seem to be in agreement with said troll that may not be aware of his trolly status I was posting from my phone and was trying to keep it as brief as possible and should have been more clear

tjs1 knows exactly what he's doing: trolling. he's yet another member who has sold his e30(s) and only posts in the politics forum.

[mrsleeve]

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Yeah saw that on CNN's web site but at the end of the article they make sure to chronicle all the other national news worthy crimes that involved an AR

Sleeve I don't know how to break it down any simpler for you: just because I'm telling you that you're making a terrible argument doesn't mean that I am anti-gun in any way.

I never said anything about the NRA--why are you responding to a well known troll like tjts1? Why can't you figure out who you're replying to?

Yes you seem to come across as one of the whishy washy gun people. Gun free zones are where nearly all these instances happen because the chance of running into someone that might be able to meet force with force is much lower. Crazies are crazy that does not mean they are stupid, and it is a fact of the matter, and a factor in the discussion none the less. What you seem to discount as a non issue I see as one of the issues perpetuating these kind of events, not to mention the amount of attention the news gives these tools, that even in death is the attention they wanted, and this is the best way to get it.

Sorry the latter portion of that post was not meant for you, it was in response not as much too the the troll but those that seem to be in agreement with said troll that may not be aware of his trolly status I was posting from my phone and was trying to keep it as brief as possible and should have been more clear

[M-technik-3]

So now the news agencies say there was no AR-15 just more sloppy news reporting.

[BraveUlysses]

Fact of the matter though is it not??

Fairly sure I have made many many "argumets" on this topic that most you anti fire arms people can't seem to keep up with or make a rebuttle that holds water.

The nra has absoultly nothing to do with this. Why are you trying to pin this on them. With the news stores I have been reading about this guy from today. His issues are reading like a aundry list from the tail end of the last debate on this issue.

Sleeve I don't know how to break it down any simpler for you: just because I'm telling you that you're making a terrible argument doesn't mean that I am anti-gun in any way.

I never said anything about the NRA--why are you responding to a well known troll like tjts1? Why can't you figure out who you're replying to?