Shutdown

[einhander]

O rly?

So he shuts down all this but a golf course? yeah sounds good Mr President after all you are the "president" this is gotta be the most ridiculous thing that this government has done :hitler:

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/obamas-golf-courses/

I find this dumb :loco:

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/obama-grand-canyon/

How is that any different than what some fringe Republicans are doing?

I'd rather have the USDA open than the Grand Canyon.

[Jrey]

How is that any different than what some fringe Republicans are doing?

I'd rather have the USDA open than the Grand Canyon.

ill have to agree with the whole rather have USDA open than Grand Canyon yes BUT hes intentionally hurting the american people and also that just basically lays off the workers from those parks(i might be wrong im still doing research) and its pointless shutting the grand canyon down, its like lets shut down the Memorials in DC, no one but vets can get in, NOW nobody is allowed on those grounds, look what that shows.

But whats getting me is(in response to my first link) he shuts down military grocery stores but leaves a golf course open, again that just shows how much he cares about the people

This shutdown is getting over dramatic

[einhander]

^ I feel you.

No winners in this mess, for sure.

[rwh11385]

of course they did! why wouldn't they have?

it still doesn't answer the question. So the house didn't like the Senate bill, right? Then why didn't they vote on it?

this is the answer:



the answer is they won't vote, because they know it will pass, even in the house with a conservative majority.

Cue the national pressure to get a vote already:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/10/02/the-fixs-clean-cr-whip-count/

The Fix’s ‘clean’ CR whip count

Looks like 221 leaning towards passing a clean CR, which would be "enough votes".

http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/gop-moderates-plot-revolt-end-to-government-shutdown/

Republican Centrists Plot Revolt to End Government Shutdown

He said there were many lawmakers who support a clean CR. He cautioned, however, that many of them may never be in a position to vote for it “because of their districts, they’re afraid, they’re concerned about a primary.”

“One thing I admire about the Ted Cruz Republicans, they don’t care what anyone thinks about them, they just go ahead and do it. I think that’s what we have to start doing,” King said. “So to that extent I’m a Cruz Republican.”

But until centrists start acting with more abandon, Boehner is likely to stick with the current plan — even if they have the numbers right now to force a vote on a clean CR.

It’s no secret that King and Rep. Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania have been leading a contingent of moderates, and as of Wednesday afternoon, there were at least 18 Republicans who had publicly stated they would vote for a clean CR. The list includes King, Dent, Grimm, Simpson, Devin Nunes of California, C.W. Bill Young of Florida, Erik Paulsen of Minnesota, Frank A. LoBiondo of New Jersey, Leonard Lance of New Jersey, Jon Runyan of New Jersey, Lou Barletta of Pennsylvania, Jim Gerlach of Pennsylvania, Michael G. Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Patrick Meehan of Pennsylvania, Frank R. Wolf of Virginia, J. Randy Forbes of Virginia, Rob Wittman of Virginia and Scott Rigell of Virginia.

If they all stick together, the bloc could make Boehner’s life difficult. But Boehner is worried about another group.

Many speculate that Boehner would face a conservative mutiny if he simply brought up a clean CR to be passed by Democrats and a small number of moderate Republicans.

I actually got an email from Patrick Meehan surveying what he should do, so he was aware of life outside the RWNJ bubble and could understand 72% of the country didn't want a shutdown to happen over ACA.

But then again, there are threats to their political future if they don't continue to shit on the country because of an extreme and vocal minority.

Like this I got emailed:

If Obamacare isn't defunded before the end of this month, we'll be stuck with it forever.

And if that happens, it will be entirely the fault of the spineless, weak-kneed, hand-wringing "RINO" cowards who refuse to stick to their principles when the rubber meets the road!

I am absolutely SICK and TIRED of their cowardice. It's time to do something about it!

My name is Brent Bozell, and I am the Chairman of For America, the largest and most powerful grassroots army on the right.

And frankly, I'm absolutely furious!

After two years of big talk about repealing Obamacare, our golden opportunity has finally arrived.

Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul are spearheading the last-ditch effort to kill Obamacare before it takes effect. Two-thirds of the American people support ending this nightmare.

But the hand-wringing Republican "leadership" is trying to stop them!

Turncoats like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Richard Burr are actually threatening these conservative heroes for having the audacity to stand up to Barack Obama!

We need to tell these cowards that they're either with the American people, or they're with Barack Obama.

We need to tell them that if they fund Obamacare, they'll own it lock, stock, and barrel.

We need to tell them that if they throw their lot in with Barack Obama by funding this disaster, we will drive them out of office next year, no questions asked!

Believe me. We will steamroll any politician who stands in our way, no matter what letter stands next to his or her name.

And the very first step is flooding their offices with petitions in the few days that we have left to win this fight.

We're going to make it crystal clear to these RINO squishes that if they don't get in line and fight to defund Obamacare in the few days we have left, we will send them packing in 2014!

That's not a healthy way to run government... either get on-board with shutting it down if you don't get your way or be attacked next year by the extremist PACs.

But this is a clear presentation of the logical fallacy of false dilemma - that there can be only two sides to an issue. And demonstrates why bipartisan compromise is a thing of the past with the Teabaggers in force.

[nando]

The irony is, by attacking themselves, they'll just get more democrats elected.

Not necessarily a good thing, we need a heathly balance of power.

[rwh11385]

The irony is, by attacking themselves, they'll just get more democrats elected.

Not necessarily a good thing, we need a heathly balance of power.

Maybe we'll have a rise of a moderate party? That's what I hope. I have a lot of peers in an awkward spot where they'd like the GOP if they didn't disrespect gays, women, and science. Or just basic logic and care for facts.



If the country has any luck, then this stunt should have the RWNJs lose the majority in the House: http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-r...rticle/2536929

A poll of 24 Republican-held swing districts shows that a generic Democrat would beat a Republican incumbent in 17 of them — the very number of seats Democrats would need to wrest from Republicans to take control of the House.

Republicans tied with the generic Democrat in two swing districts and led in five others. But all seven of those Republicans lost support once voters were told they backed the current government shutdown.

"These were the kinds of numbers we were starting to see in Democratic districts four years ago," Tom Jensen, director of Public Policy Polling, said Monday. "We did see the seeds of discontent in the summer and fall of 2009, we did see that continue through to [the midterm elections in] 2010."

Of course... maybe not:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/10/gerrymandering

In the National Journal, Ron Brownstein, David Wasserman and Ben Terris write that Republicans in the House don't have to worry about the backlash against the shutdown because compared to a few years ago, gerrymandering has guaranteed that they're now in much safer, more deeply Republican districts. At the same time, as we wrote just after the 2012 elections, gerrymandering helped increase the number of seats won by Republicans such that they retained a solid 33-seat majority in the House despite losing the overall popular congressional vote by 1.4m votes. One might wonder: how can both these things be true?

[Hooffenstein HD]

Any possibility of the US economy being greatly affected? I want all them E30 parts and I want them cheap, damn it.

[Q5Quint]

The problem with the shutdown is that 'our government' is not the republicans, or the democrats, to shut down.

The government is the people, and instead of the peoples representatives sitting down at a table and saying 'well our people dont want obamacare, what can we do about it' - 'well, our people do want obamacare, so you can try and get elected next year and reverse it, sorry'.

Instead of talking about it like normal people they are holding ALL the american peoples credit rating for hostage and throwing the country into ruin. Imagine if this happened on nearly every 50/50 decision split. WHAT IF it will continue to happen like this on every decision?

We have almost a million more democrats in our state compared to republicans, and yet they somehow control everything. Our unaffiliated voters are just 200k behind registered republicans before they become the 2nd largest 'party' in the state. If they keep up this devisive negotiation that hurts everyone then they are only taking themselves out in the end.

[nando]

Any possibility of the US economy being greatly affected? I want all them E30 parts and I want them cheap, damn it.

if there is a default, there won't be anywhere to hide. unless you live in Haiti and are already dirt poor.

meanwhile, on faux news - somebody blamed the republican party! quick, sick the right wing media on them!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/07/homework-excuses-wisconsin-professor-tells-students-that-govt-shutdown-is-to/

the GOP - all for free speech, until they aren't.

[mrsleeve]

Vencitive make it hurt as much as possible "shut down"............ unless it one of your own causes of course then an exception can be made

More blatant partisan Hippocratic hackery from our dear leader. NPS shuts down and spend more money to close and patrol to attempt to keep veterans out of the open air WWII memorial. Yet NPS OKs a pro immigration rally on the closed national mall

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/10/government-shutdown-2013-immigration-rally-scheduled-despite-closing-of-national-mall-95028.html

[nando]

that's merely a distraction from what's really happening, but nice try.

[einhander]

Vencitive

This is not a word.

And who cares about the memorials. That's the least of our fucking problems!

[mrsleeve]

^
OK spelling Nazi sorry a phone post missed a d and had a couple of letters twisted up, I think you should have been able to gleen vindictive out of that


I have been saying something along the lines of distraction since this started. Not to mention why should the hipocarcy not be pointed out.......

The point is they are closed to the public unless it happens to be a rally for a cause the whitehouse likes ummmmmmm. Yeah no big deal at all with that. Nothing to see here move along

[einhander]

^
OK spelling Nazi sorry a phone post missed a d and had a couple of letters twisted up, I think you should have been able to gleen vindictive out of that


I have been saying something along those lines since this started. Not to mention why should the hipocarcy not be pointed out.......

I'm messing with you, Sleeve. It's all good.

[mrsleeve]

I kinda figured. I hate my phone sometimes when trying to type shit on it. :)