Missing Flight MH370 777-200

[Farbin Kaiber]

The transponders don't hold the coding.It is either hardwired into the aircraft or coded through dip switches. I don't recall exactly how the 777 is setup but probably to change the code you would have to access a panel in the forward cargo bay. There is no direct access to the transponders in flight on the 777.

So, you are saying the code isn't in the device?

http://sarasotaavionics.com/category/transponders/mode-s-transponders

So, when people put a transponder into their Cessna, the code is somewhere in the plane? No.

Turn off the on-board in-panel unit, then turn on a carry-on. The thing is the size of a car stereo, it's not like the other side can tell how big something is by it's transponder.

If you noted, I shifted from swapping transponders, to spoofing with a carry on. That can be done. Right?


EDIT: Next thought, as to not waste two posts....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9836664/Malaysian-jet-avoided-radars-in-three-countries

Sounds like they went north. A flight sim would be nice to practice terrain masking, right?

[LJ851]

Farbio

haha!

[Farbin Kaiber]

A quote from a pilot that rings true with what I said above, the home sim is fishy. But my practice statement seems to discredit terrain masking

The photo's I have seen of the Captains sim indicate to me it is little more than a toy.

I do NOT understand why someone with as much experience as this guy flying the real thing would build such a box, let alone use it! He could have used the Sim's at work, clearly he was senior enough to probably even bring friends in if he particularly wanted to.

I understand fighter combat sims and the like - they are good fun, but it is always acknowledged they are toys. In fact the 'good' sims to my mind are the ones that don't pretend to be anything else.

I accept there might be weirdo anorak wearing pilots out there who might want to make a cardboard (although cardboard is accurate, and most pilots have used them in basic training), milk carton, string and elastic band box painted to look like the one you are forced to spend 1000 hours a year in, but in 30 years I have NEVER met one personally. He clearly spent money on it, and for what it is its no doubt good, but if you have kids and don't fly I would liken it to something 'Mr Maker' on TV would create in comparison to a real FFS, let alone the aircraft.

That sim would give you basic terrain awareness - though no more than Google Earth and I would assume Flight Management Computer functions. NOTHING else would even remotely be like 'the real thing' nor even the 'real' MAS sim the guy could access whenever he wanted to. Any 'practice' he would get from that construction would be considered (IMHO) 'Negative Training'. In other words, using it would lessen your physical flying skills on the 'real thing'.

Ive got 15,000 odd hours in Boeings and extra in full flight sims. The last thing I would be doing is building one at home so I can pretend I am at work when I am at home. I have enough manuals to read already without having to create others myself to explain to me how to fly a box I built for fun

As an aside, I spoke with a mate of mine who flies tripplers and I asked him how his gold stealing plans are progressing. He said he would have 50-60 tonnes on board every time he takes off from one particular airport but T7's are actually quite hard to hide. He's not giving the problem his full attention obviously, but it's not something you would just wake up one night and think 'Ive got a really great idea to try sometime'...

[einhander]

Your #1, I understand it is "out of the way", but come on, are you telling me, in the world of $600 toilet seats that the US Gov didn't make sure all their strategic sites had the ability to oversee the other? They spent the money, and their systems overlap. Years ago, the gov said that Southern Asia is the next area to watch, so I'm sure they are watching.

#2, I just posted a link, didn't say I bought it, just bring all the info I find to the table.

And, if you look back, I already said this reminded me of Stephen King's The Langoliers. They flew through a tear in time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Langoliers

Homie, they don't sit there watching civil aircraft. We haven't done that since the Cold War. We probably do it in the Gulf still, though.

If there was a distress call, then sure, but there wasn't. I'm not saying they didn't see it, I'm saying they didn't watch it. Going through that data is arduous and whatever turns up needs to be verified.

But still, the Indian Ocean is vast. Like, vast. It's entirely possible the plane was out of coverage.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I didn't say they 'watched' it, but the 'metadata' should exist in their quadruple redundant systems and data logging/storage equipment.

I'm very sure that the US has more than enough raw data available to explain the entire flight. Shit, Why are people not using sat images from the morning of the 8th to go back and see if they can trace contrails to known flightpaths and flights, and find the one that does not have a match.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Also, something I haven't heard here yet is, why no ELT's? If it crashed, impacted, or got wet, it would have started transmitting, so either the hijacker walked throughout the plane and manually shut off the ELT's in the blowoff doors, in the life rafts, and the ones in the plane if it were to have crashed and not gone off. This, makes me think it landed.

[einhander]

AF447's ELT wasn't found for days.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Now, what if it was terroristic and not suicidal, and the some of .govs had knowledge about it, and instead, it was shot out of the sky somewhere totally unrelated, what if they had to not publish the fact that some government shout 230+ people out of the sky, and this was the best alternative?

We know that a al-Qaeda related guy spoke of a Malaysian terror plot about a plane, after it happened no less, would he have said that before it happened? Maybe this was a coded message for a timeframe to commit other acts, thus no claim of responsibility, because they want responsibility for what comes next while we wait and wonder.

Yes, not found for days, I'm pretty sure it's likely been twice as long for MH370, and no sign of it.

[Farbin Kaiber]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-tightens-airspace-security-after-jets-disappearance/

This is what I have been waiting to hear, knew it would only be a short time. They will not hesitate to vaporize that plane, full of hostages or not.

[einhander]

Ah, the Times of Israel. Truly a paper of record...

[einhander]

Now, what if it was terroristic and not suicidal, and the some of .govs had knowledge about it, and instead, it was shot out of the sky somewhere totally unrelated, what if they had to not publish the fact that some government shout 230+ people out of the sky, and this was the best alternative?

We know that a al-Qaeda related guy spoke of a Malaysian terror plot about a plane, after it happened no less, would he have said that before it happened? Maybe this was a coded message for a timeframe to commit other acts, thus no claim of responsibility, because they want responsibility for what comes next while we wait and wonder.

Yes, not found for days, I'm pretty sure it's likely been twice as long for MH370, and no sign of it.

Are you referring to the Bojinka plot? That had nothing to do with Malaysia, IIRC.

The plane wasn't shot down. If it were flying west over the ocean it posed no threat to anyone except the people on board. Why shoot it down? Does not compute.

Stop spouting such things!

[Farbin Kaiber]

Reuters work better for you?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.580199

[einhander]

Yes, thank you.

Now, what's your point?

[Farbin Kaiber]

Saajid Muhammad Badat (co-conspirator of Richard Reid) , from his testimony last week, not the older Bojinka Plot.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Yes, thank you.

Now, what's your point?

My point is Israel wouldn't be on point more so that they usually are, unless they had credible info, they don't just go running around making stuff up. If the plane is in water, would they go through the changes? I don't think so. I bet they have credible info about the northern arc.