Pro-gun myths busted

[ajhostetter]

Reported rapes in India per 100,000 is 2.

Reported rapes in the United States per 100,000 is 28.6.


I'm not going to speak to your silly comment about India not being safe, whether related to sexual assault or not...I will suggest you turn off Fox News though.

REPORTED rapes. There's an incredible amount of sexual violence aimed at the dalit class in India that goes unreported. Just a clarification. There was an in-depth report on this specifically about a year and a half ago. It was in The Economist, not Fox News.

[einhander]

Of course a society with almost no guns is going to have less gun violence than the US does BUuuuuuut...

How about India's levels of rape and sexual assault?
How about their levels of non-firearm violent crime.

India's NOT a safe place. Our word "thug" came from India.

Reported rapes in India per 100,000 is 2.

Reported rapes in the United States per 100,000 is 28.6.


I'm not going to speak to your silly comment about India not being safe, whether related to sexual assault or not...I will suggest you turn off Fox News though.

[The Dark Side of Will]

http://guardianlv.com/2014/07/hospit...rol-advocates/

Interesting portion.

"One such report noted that the major networks covering the shooting at Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital could not air the story for more than 43 seconds. Conversely, pro-gun control stories typically receive up to eight times more coverage."

I figured you'd have found/cited this :)

[The Dark Side of Will]

It's not an indictment of lawful owners buying and selling firearms to one another, it's a refutation of the claim that most guns used in crimes are stolen guns.

But it is, actually...

According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.

And this could describe a father buying his son a gun for his birthday.
The ATF wants every change of firearm ownership to go through an FFL so that they can illegally copy the documentation and build a registry they're not supposed to have.

The point isn't that it's illegal to buy a gun for one's son, but that if the youth uses the gun in a commission of a crime it's more likely that the gun was bought for him instead of him stealing it.

That's the claim, but I don't trust much of anything that comes out of the ATF.

For example, the CT shooter took his mother's gun without permission. Does the ATF count that as a theft?

Exactly what is the "recent ATF report" that cites the "time-to-crime" statistics?

[The Dark Side of Will]

India is anything but homogenous and has banned gun ownership. Gun crime there is minimal - less than 1 gun death/100,000 people (US is around 10, I think?).

Of course a society with almost no guns is going to have less gun violence than the US does BUuuuuuut...

How about India's levels of rape and sexual assault?
How about their levels of non-firearm violent crime.

India's NOT a safe place. Our word "thug" came from India.

[mrsleeve]

sounds like Alinsky ..................... Though its Actually Paul Harvey from the late 50's IIRC

[z31maniac]

No, he's knocking down a straw man and thinking he's Socrates for it.

[delamaize]

[Cabriolet]

Cars kill people to.

Old people in cars kill and injure people. they should drive, no one should, it's not safe.
crazy people with chainsaws kill people. we should take away all sharp objects.
people get trolled on the internet and commit suicide because of it. we should out law all freedom of speech.

Freedom isn't free, life has risks, deal with it.

im gonna leave this here

If I were the prince of darkness, I would want to engulf the whole world in darkness.

I'd have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population, but I would not be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree — thee.

So, I would set about however necessary to take over the United States.

I'd subvert the churches first, and I would begin with a campaign of whispers.

With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve: "Do as you please."

To the young, I would whisper that the Bible is a myth. I would convince the children that man created God instead of the other way around. I'd confide that what's bad is good and what's good is square.

And the old, I would teach to pray after me, "Our Father, which are in Washington ..."

Then, I'd get organized, I'd educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting.

I'd peddle narcotics to whom I could. I'd sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. I'd tranquilize the rest with pills.

If I were the devil, I'd soon have families at war with themselves, churches at war with themselves and nations at war with themselves until each, in its turn, was consumed.

And with promises of higher ratings, I'd have mesmerizing media fanning the flames.

If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellect but neglect to discipline emotions. I'd tell teachers to let those students run wil. And before you knew it, you'd have drug-sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door.

With a decade, I'd have prisons overflowing and judges promoting pornography. Soon, I would evict God from the courthouse and the schoolhouse and them from the houses of Congress.

In his own churches, I would substitute psychology for religion and deify science. I'd lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money.

If I were the devil, I'd take from those who have and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious.

What'll you bet I couldn't get whole states to promote gambling as the way to get rich?

I'd convince the young that marriage is old-fashioned, that swinging is more fun and that what you see on television is the way to be.

And thus, I could undress you in public and lure you into bed with diseases for which there are no cures.

In other words, if I were the devil, I'd just keep right on doing what he's doing.

our gun laws were set up in a society that took responsibility for their own actions. people now, blame everyone and everything for their faults. in a society that respects others, loves others and uses judgement there is no issue with letting people have all the freedoms. but with the dumbing down of our population, the lack of education and the lack of responsibility our population cannot endure the freedoms we have loved for 200 years.

[ParsedOut]

http://guardianlv.com/2014/07/hospital-shooting-a-blow-to-gun-control-advocates/

Interesting portion.

"One such report noted that the major networks covering the shooting at Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital could not air the story for more than 43 seconds. Conversely, pro-gun control stories typically receive up to eight times more coverage."

[ParsedOut]

So this all comes back around to how do we enforce the laws we already have in place regarding straw purchases without putting further burden on the law abiding citizens?

[smooth]

So it's illegal for a father to buy his <18 yo son a gun for his birthday?

You seem to be missing the point of the article. It's not an indictment of lawful owners buying and selling firearms to one another, it's a refutation of the claim that most guns used in crimes are stolen guns.

The evidence they're talking about is that most guns used in the commission of a crime come into possession of the criminal via straw purchases.

The point isn't that it's illegal to buy a gun for one's son, but that if the youth uses the gun in a commission of a crime it's more likely that the gun was bought for him instead of him stealing it.

[The Dark Side of Will]

This is an interesting article regarding the source of guns used in crimes

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

"two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities."

So it's illegal for a father to buy his <18 yo son a gun for his birthday?

[mrsleeve]

Are they attempting to imply that private party trannsactions are a black market? ???

[frankenbeemer]

It's probably true, but pardon me for not completely trusting the BATFE, cited as ATF in this article. They are apparently this article's only source. The conclusion is interesting, I suppose. "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."