Another week, another school shooting

[mrsleeve]

Maybe I am farbins alter ego ..........................................

[2mAn]

Guns serve no other purpose than killing people... we're doomed

[marshallnoise]

Source?

Look up a few posts.

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[z31maniac]

Look up a few posts.

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Yes, I clicked on it already.

That's why I said, if he has discounted 34 of the shootings, that still leaves 40.

You then proceeded to intimate that even 40 is a fabricated number, so I asked for a source.

[marshallnoise]

Yes, I clicked on it already.

That's why I said, if he has discounted 34 of the shootings, that still leaves 40.

You then proceeded to intimate that even 40 is a fabricated number, so I asked for a source.

If almost half of the numbers they claim are indeed false, that is an intentional distortion of reality. I never once intimated that the other 40 didn't happen.

I did intimate that when someone tries to legitimately debate a topic and knowingly distorts the facts, there can be no discussion. If they are willing to lie about establish facts, what makes you think any fruit will come from the debate?

Edit: I see where you got that I was blowing off the other 40. But I was referring to the intent of the source was to tell a lie. If they wanted to edit their "facts" to reflect the truth, then an honest discussion can be had.
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[BraveUlysses]

Disregard the source and continue discussing it with the correct facts.

Are you going to claim that 40 school shootings isn't something worth discussing? State it outright if that's what you believe but if you are unwilling to discuss the corrected facts you should see yourself out of this thread.

[marshallnoise]

Disregard the source and continue discussing it with the correct facts.

Are you going to claim that 40 school shootings isn't something worth discussing? State it outright if that's what you believe but if you are unwilling to discuss the corrected facts you should see yourself out of this thread.

It would depend on the details of those 40 shootings. However, if they were truly horrific, I would imagine they would be on network news. Especially since the topic du jour is school shootings. So I have doubts about the 40 number. If it were say...north of 10 legitimate school shootings from crazed psychopaths, then a discussion could be warranted.

So, no. Unless the veracity of the 40 shootings can be proofed, no discussion coming from me. Crimes of passion, gang related, accidental shootings, etc should be removed from the debate. Can't control those events without waving a magic wand and having all guns disappear from existence.

[BraveUlysses]

Not horrific enough to meet your arbitrary standards for discussion, great.

At least I can look forward to not seeing any further posts from you in this thread.

[marshallnoise]

Not horrific enough to meet your arbitrary standards for discussion, great.

At least I can look forward to not seeing any further posts from you in this thread.

Arbitrary? Someone's standards included 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook, which were so loose that it was easy to identify that almost half of them as being false.

In order to start a discussion about an "epidemic", the epidemic has to be verified. Claims that there is an "epidemic" should be more than posited and shown as legitimate.

All you have to do is Google "how many school shootings since sandy hook" and the search engine pulls up pages upon pages of news sites and blogs quoting the 74 figure.

False narratives are taken as fact and then repeated ad nauseum. How can you have a discussion when people don't really know what they are having a discussion about?

:ohsnap:

[z31maniac]

Arbitrary? Someone's standards included 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook, which were so loose that it was easy to identify that almost half of them as being false.

In order to start a discussion about an "epidemic", the epidemic has to be verified. Claims that there is an "epidemic" should be more than posited and shown as legitimate.

All you have to do is Google "how many school shootings since sandy hook" and the search engine pulls up pages upon pages of news sites and blogs quoting the 74 figure.

False narratives are taken as fact and then repeated ad nauseum. How can you have a discussion when people don't really know what they are having a discussion about?

:ohsnap:

"truly horrific" and "more than 10" are both completely arbitrary merits you demand are met before you'll have a discussion.

[marshallnoise]

"truly horrific" and "more than 10" are both completely arbitrary merits you demand are met before you'll have a discussion.

I agree they are arbitrary. That is my personal threshold.

But what is important is that "74 school shootings" aren't really "74 school shootings." That isn't arbitrary. More than enough reasonable doubt has been cast upon the claim of "74 school shootings since Sandy Hook" that the debate should be tabled until some legitimate boundaries are set up for what defines a school shooting.

All this thread is doing is giving legitimacy to hysterics, my personal threshold of "more than 10" and "truly horrific" be damned.

Call me an asshole for not wanting to personally talk about it until that point, but until a real number surfaces...this is an exercise in stupidity.

[ParsedOut]

...this is an exercise in stupidity.

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[smooth]

If I counted his tweets right, that still means there 40 school shootings in the last 18 months. That's still a ton.

don't fall for their nonsense, for some odd reason the dispute is whether people going to a school to do a mass shooting is distinct from a person going on a campus and shooting another person and that the latter don't count as "school shootings."

the debate is not on whether we have an epidemic of mass shootings (although that's a valid question, as well). The concern is why are we experiencing an increase in gun related deaths and violence at schools, where our children have to stay during the day, and whether we should pay attention to that trend.

[Farbin Kaiber]

http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/11/are-school-homicides-becoming-the-norm

Hrm...

[mrsleeve]

Stop giving these people the attention they crave in the media and this shit will all but go away.

Maybe the 24 news cycle need something else to talk about so its getting past regional news more so there is more national attention to such things than in the more recent past, to give the appearance these things might be on the rise ????? When in fact they are not