The Panama Papers

[marshallnoise]

So... my taxes are theft? My taxes don't pay for anything of value that I get in return? My taxes don't pay for the roads I drive on, the infrastructure I use, or the police that patrol the roads?

OK.

Anyone who pays taxes pays WAY more than their "fair share" of services and infrastructure. Anyone who pays the highest amount of taxes is getting raped beyond measure. Those who pay nothing or get benefits without paying in to the system are the rapists, by definition.

These are facts and there is no refuting them. You may disagree with the characterization, but theft is theft. If someone gets the same benefit as you do yet you pay (at the point of a gun, no less) and he doesn't, you are being stolen from.

[Kershaw]

Redistribution of wealth is theft, no matter how noble the cause.

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So... my taxes are theft? My taxes don't pay for anything of value that I get in return? My taxes don't pay for the roads I drive on, the infrastructure I use, or the police that patrol the roads?

OK.

GWB: I am perfectly happy in my income bracket. I don't argue for a second vacation each month. The current once a month vacations are good enough for me. Tonight, we're flying to Boston to see game #2 of their first home series. Not game #1, because tickets were $800/piece and we're not at that level. But we're pretty good. It's not me that has a problem living comfortably. I pay my taxes, go to work, cut my grass, and pick up trash in my neighborhood. I am pretty happy and my life is pretty easy.

It's those bottom quintiles that are struggling to scrape by, that count every cent of every dollar to afford their groceries, that break my silly bleeding liberal heart because I can't bear to know that people are starving in this country and if enough people got on board, we could do something about it. And it infuriates me to see proof (of what we all know) that if you're rich enough, you don't even need to pay the taxes you are legally required to.

No one wants to be poor. No one chooses to have no money so they can't feed their kids. But there are people that choose to fuck everyone else over so they can increase their income by .05%. They have been doing so in increasing amounts for the last 40 years. How bad does it have to get before something happens? And I just don't think that's right. These assholes are literally stealing everyone's money. Tax money is not theirs. It belongs to this country. It pays for our roads. Our schools. Our sometimes stupid foreign policy, but it's not theirs. And then we have this repatriation holidays to bring that funneled cash back in at some obscene tax rate, like 4.5%, because the government wants at least a fraction of it. It's not right. Society is suffering because of it. How many more jobs could be created without billions of dollars getting funneled out of the US to sit in an off shore account? How many more people could stop being under employed?

[marshallnoise]

He wasn't talking about the tax rate. He was talking about the overall percentage of taxes paid.

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[BraveUlysses]

you make my point even tho you may not have intended to.
the policies of obama and his pick for fed chair have benefited the rich, left the middle class behind, and increased the wealth/income gap.
the taxes paid by the top 1% has risen from 40% to 45%, yet the issues raised by kershaw have gotten progressively worse. yet kershaw would do more of the same policies, and expect a different outcome somehow.
the problem is not the 1% or tax rates. It's the lack of growth in the economy and resulting lack of upward mobility kerhsaw finds himself pigeonholed in.
if the economy were growing faster, if the rich saw an opportunity to invest instead of hide their wealth, everyone would be better off.

No, you didn't make any point. A 3% increase in the top rate for the past two years would not yield much of a difference. You're incorrect about the top rate, it's now 39.6% not 45%.

[marshallnoise]

Redistribution of wealth is theft, no matter how noble the cause.

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[mrsleeve]

^

U/E stats are very very manipulated its far higher than the "official" numbers would have you believe

[kickinindian]

i just find this whole concept of all these "no job having losers" taking over the system when we are still at ~95% employment in this country. that means a vast majority of the country actually do work, and all want to have the ability to afford a home and a basic life, ether their wages should be raised or they have to be subsidized and get help from the other 95% who do work.

[marshallnoise]

Right, because your property in Spokompton is actually worth something right?

At least he is vested. I live in Oceanslime. If you have kids, he is paying for their schooling, regardless of if he has kids or not.

[Dagamus(NM)]

Really, The Government wont shut down, your mom and dad still got their checks, the unemployed still got their checks, fact is, its a good thing when we slow the roll of Government then they can stop pissing our money away.
its all bull shit. the Government has never shut down.
The Government does not have a side business that they make money on.
They dont sell cookies or weapons on the side, with out it first coming out of your pocket.
really I think sometimes only Property owners should vote on the important issues. like taxes

Right, because your property in Spokompton is actually worth something right?

[lti_57]

This. No one anticipated how far the Republicans would go to grind our government to a halt just out of spite.

Really, The Government wont shut down, your mom and dad still got their checks, the unemployed still got their checks, fact is, its a good thing when we slow the roll of Government then they can stop pissing our money away.
its all bull shit. the Government has never shut down.
The Government does not have a side business that they make money on.
They dont sell cookies or weapons on the side, with out it first coming out of your pocket.
really I think sometimes only Property owners should vote on the important issues. like taxes

[Vincent Brick]

i seem to recall a sort of turtle like fellow and a potato looking fellow not wanting to compromise on anything and getting the government shut down?

This. No one anticipated how far the Republicans would go to grind our government to a halt just out of spite.

[kickinindian]

I seem to remember liberals calling Obama the face of change and revolution as well. Whaaaaaa happen?

i seem to recall a sort of turtle like fellow and a potato looking fellow not wanting to compromise on anything and getting the government shut down?

[Kershaw]

Essentially he jokes saying that they take the newly elected president, sit him down in a chair, and play the video tape of JFK getting assassinated, and then say, "we did that, stay in line."

I seem to remember liberals calling Obama the face of change and revolution as well. Whaaaaaa happen?

:-?

[supermansocks95]

Moreso part of the start of one

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[Rsully70sev]

I seem to remember liberals calling Obama the face of change and revolution as well. Whaaaaaa happen?