The US doomed to be dumb

[z31maniac]

i'm pretty sure he's taken cover.

when the mods complain about you being a little bitch, you're running out of options...

But I was hoping for an education!

Obviously since I don't have a PhD/JD, I'm a poor excuse for a human being that doesn't deserve the air I breath!

[joshh]

I see nothing has changed.
90% personal attacks, 5% ego, 5% on topic.

[Schnitzer318is]

The difference is, kids come out of school nowadays and think they deserve the kind of job I have now........right off the bat, just because they have a degree.

Not to disagree with all your points... I certainly believe in "cutting one's teeth" to eventually make it to your ideal work situation. But you can't place all the blame on the kids graduating school. If I had paid $50,000+/- for my degree... I'd be pretty pissed to get a $30,000/yr job as well. That can easily be had with no degree and good work history. Just a thought.

[z31maniac]

I graduated with $25k in debt to a $36k/year job in 2005. It's life. Sorry you won't get to afford $9 coffee's every morning and organic, hipster food.

I moved in with a friend to save money, put some in the bank, etc.

[parkerbink]

The real problem today (imho) are youth feel they are entitled. I had to work my way up. I ate shit held my tongue and worked hard, was the first one in & last to leave and it paid off.

Young people (in my observation) think they can sashay in late, do less than the minimum and leave early and get paid at the top tier.

[agent]

... and keep their noses in their phones checking social media all day.

[Sh3rpak!ng]

... and keep their noses in their phones checking R3V all day.

fixed

[Schnitzer318is]

I graduated with $25k in debt to a $36k/year job in 2005. It's life. Sorry you won't get to afford $9 coffee's every morning and organic, hipster food.

I moved in with a friend to save money, put some in the bank, etc.

$9 coffee is a problem in and of itself... but not all youth are hipster entitled wallflowers. But even the ones who are not are saddled with the debt of higher education. My wife and I skipped it after doing 2 years and realizing we'd rather be paying a mortgage than sally mae. I loved school, and would go back if it were reasonable, but it didn't make financial sense for us, and that was back in 2000. Tuitions are only rising...

The real problem today (imho) are youth feel they are entitled. I had to work my way up. I ate shit held my tongue and worked hard, was the first one in & last to leave and it paid off.

Young people (in my observation) think they can sashay in late, do less than the minimum and leave early and get paid at the top tier.

I don't disagree, and definitely believe in personal responsibility/accountability. But again... not ALL of today's young adults act this way.

The REAL problem today are the parents of the youth you complain about. The enablers and coddlers.

[Todd Black 88]

Your right, not all of the youth of today are like that, but the ones that are not like that, stand out from the crowd and are generally treated better and are rewarded financially for it.

At least in my industry.

[z31maniac]

$9 coffee is a problem in and of itself... but not all youth are hipster entitled wallflowers. But even the ones who are not are saddled with the debt of higher education. My wife and I skipped it after doing 2 years and realizing we'd rather be paying a mortgage than sally mae. I loved school, and would go back if it were reasonable, but it didn't make financial sense for us, and that was back in 2000. Tuitions are only rising...

No problem with $9 coffee if that's how you want to spend your money.

Yes, tuition is rising. Also, STEM degrees are declining in favor of Liberal Arts. And fewer young people are learning trades. I'm sorry your Marketing degree isn't worth the same as an ME or EE (again, many young kids think it should be)

If I could back, I would have been an electrical apprentice so I could eventually work for myself or try to build my own business.

You can't outsource electricians, plumbers, HVAC, mechanics, etc.

[Sh3rpak!ng]

If I could back, I would have been an electrical apprentice so I could eventually work for myself or try to build my own business.

You can't outsource electricians, plumbers, HVAC, mechanics, etc.

I've thought about this many times. In middle school/high school, I ran a small landscaping business which until now was the best job I've had in terms of $/hour. I easily pushed all the neighborhood landscaping companies out and if I had more time (like wasn't going to school) I could've expanded quite rapidly (I regularly turned down more business). I always wonder what the return would've been if I'd have spent three years building a landscaping/construction/whatever business instead of taking debt to go to college for 3 years.

One of my cousins went to trade school and became a carpenter, he lives in Denver. He's very good at what he does, makes a killing (200k plus), loves his work, no debt, low overhead. I also wonder what life would've been like if I followed that track.

It looks like we will start facing shortages of workers in these trades in the next 10-15 years or so when a good chunk of the baby boomers start retiring.

[2mAn]

Theres definitely a growing gap in trade workers. I really enjoyed the Industrial Engineering classes I was taking as a ME student, but I had the wrong mentality and rather than focusing on becoming a badass welder/ machinist I really wanted to be a ME and failed at it... ~10 years later my career has grown due to hard work and Im back finishing my degree now. I will have ~$25k in student loans when Im done, but I should see an increase in my annual salary by about the same so its definitely cost effective for me.

The immediate access to information due to the internet has created the same type of " I want it now" mentality, and that is the same attitude the students have when they graduate with their Communications Degree and expect to be making $60k+ / year.

-Posted from my work computer :)

[Wschnitz]

The real problem today (imho) are youth feel they are entitled. I had to work my way up. I ate shit held my tongue and worked hard, was the first one in & last to leave and it paid off.

Young people (in my observation) think they can sashay in late, do less than the minimum and leave early and get paid at the top tier.

Seems like kind of a catch all for a generation, like something an older generation would say.

This is a lot more complicated then that, Inflation rising faster then minimum wage, housing market being unreasonable because of artificial demand, more and more consumer protections being removed. Lots of these are causing a generational change in how young people see money. Many of them (myself included) live fairly well with their parents, who always talk about 'just had to go to school and got a job right out of college and bought a house' like its a fresh new kids meme. The reality becomes that if you are choosing a job that is service related, tech related, engineering, you name it. The likelyhood of it being in a high population area is great, which means the costs are going to be higher then the younger generation is likely to get paid. This is where you are hearing the whining, and a lot of it is justified. Unless our 'free market' can get a balance going again its going to get more and more extreme. Even now my parents are complaining about housing prices being ridiculous, in some places swinging up 30-50% over just a year.

Back to the dumb topic, there is rampant propaganda of Anti-intellectualism growing in America. This idea that the College educated adult somehow wants to punish the average farm boy for not being smart. Leading to this propaganda to 'stick it to them libs', 'science is fake' whatever. Politics are creating a national divide by convincing the poor they are dumb, and convincing the rich/educated they are better then the poor.

The real problem isnt the people here, its the political leaders, and the free market abusing consumers to create profitable enviroments.

[Todd Black 88]

No problem with $9 coffee if that's how you want to spend your money.

Yes, tuition is rising. Also, STEM degrees are declining in favor of Liberal Arts. And fewer young people are learning trades. I'm sorry your Marketing degree isn't worth the same as an ME or EE (again, many young kids think it should be)

If I could back, I would have been an electrical apprentice so I could eventually work for myself or try to build my own business.

You can't outsource electricians, plumbers, HVAC, mechanics, etc.

"Wave"

23 year IP ticket plumber
23 year ticketed gas fitter
18 year ticketed restricted b HE electrician here

[Schnitzer318is]

No problem with $9 coffee if that's how you want to spend your money.

Yes, tuition is rising. Also, STEM degrees are declining in favor of Liberal Arts. And fewer young people are learning trades. I'm sorry your Marketing degree isn't worth the same as an ME or EE (again, many young kids think it should be)

If I could back, I would have been an electrical apprentice so I could eventually work for myself or try to build my own business.

You can't outsource electricians, plumbers, HVAC, mechanics, etc.

I agree with all of that... except those wasting money on $9 coffees, regardless of affordability. ;) If people stopped buying them... they'd go down in price. Like iPhones.