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Thank you that kinda was my point, in response to decay.....
I have had family in Tuscon for 30 years, thats as close as I prefer to get to mexico lol
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post^
I dont see people fleeing Chicago to Canada and asking for asylum to because of the murders there....Originally posted by mrsleeve View Postwell when taken as a per capita numbers your only about 45% more likely to be murdered in Mexico than Chicago land.... I stand by my assessment ;)
I did for 5 years, I was never threatened, robbed or murdered.
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Originally posted by decay View Postdid you read the article? it's talking about non-combatants being killed to send a message to the other cartels that "we're fucking crazy and you should fear us".
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Originally posted by Mediumrarechicken View PostThose people were targets too, I'm talking people out shopping or down the block innocents. Jose blow, the guy that knows no one in the cartels
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Originally posted by decay View Postwasn't able to find data but civilians are absolutely considered fair game.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.97da29731171
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Originally posted by Mediumrarechicken View PostSorry but murders dont equal war. Most of the people getting killed are from cartels taking each other out. So I suppose every country that has gangs are at war then too....
Go any stats on how many innocent bystanders are getting murdered? I'm sure the ratio of cartel to innocents is pretty one sided
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Originally posted by decay View Post
Go any stats on how many innocent bystanders are getting murdered? I'm sure the ratio of cartel to innocents is pretty one sided
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well when taken as a per capita numbers your only about 45% more likely to be murdered in Mexico than Chicago land.... I stand by my assessment ;)
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I dont see people fleeing Chicago to Canada and asking for asylum to because of the murders there....
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Originally posted by Mediumrarechicken View PostThe claiming "asylum" part is a joke, there isnt a war and they arnt running from their government, they just want a free ride to a better life.
Drug war bloodshed in Mexico has spiked to record levels, with more homicides recorded in June than in any month in at least two decades.
Prosecutors opened 2,234 homicide investigations last month, according to government statistics released Friday. That's an increase of 40% over June of last year and 80% over June of 2015.
The 12,155 homicide cases opened from January to June make 2017 the deadliest first half of a year.
Though violence used to be concentrated in a handful of states, it is now rising nationwide, with 27 of Mexico's 32 states recording an uptick in homicides compared with last year.
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Originally posted by Schnitzer318is View PostI had kind of the same reaction. I thought the whole media hyping of the use of "cages" and like terminology was way over-hyped. And while I'm not a fan of crying children and the like... kids cry. They cry at the doctor, the dentist, and tons of other places. Why wouldn't they be crying at an immigration holding facility? The media blew all that way out of proportion.
The situation at the border is a shitty one and I'm not entirely sure there is a way to follow the law and satisfy everyone. As much as I hate to agree with anything this administration might think, having your children be removed from your care for a few months might be a huge deterrent to attempting a re-entry.
And I realize that America has a long tradition of immigration, harboring for religious persecution, etc. But we don't have an entire western half of the country to expand to anymore. The selection process has to get stricter and the numbers have to continue to drop. There is no great way to handle this problem...
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Originally posted by E30 Wagen View PostYeah, maybe our great grandfathers meddled down there like 60 years ago, but how long does it take to establish leadership and for people to take responsibility for each other? A lot can happen in the span of a single decade.
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