RIP John McCain

[z31maniac]

Seems to be the norm these days. Everything is an extreme, there is no middle ground, and you have vilify anything which you disagree with. Trump is a Nazi despite never killing anyone, Sanders is a socialist who would have America spiral into an economic disaster like Venezuela, and death of the opposition is met with joy.

Fuck people.

Yeah, it's pretty strange that it's now become IF YOU DON'T 100% AGREE WITH EVERYTHING I SAY, YOU'RE THE ENEMY/NAZI/CUCK/racist/libtard/Antifa/etc.

[cale]

How often do you cut yourself on that edge?

Seems to be the norm these days. Everything is an extreme, there is no middle ground, and you have vilify anything which you disagree with. Trump is a Nazi despite never killing anyone, Sanders is a socialist who would have America spiral into an economic disaster like Venezuela, and death of the opposition is met with joy.

Fuck people.

[z31maniac]

Yes and no. You are using the word hero as a blanket statement and in the end it waters down the meaning. If I were to ask anyone I know that was in the military if they were a hero they will say no, then ask them if Roy Benevidez was a hero they would say yes. To me there is a difference between signing up for a job where you might die and being in a moment in time where you have reached a point where you know you are going to die and you dont stop.
Evading supersonic telephone poles is different than say being shot 3 times and running in the open through a 200yard rice patty a few times to drag your guys out while ak's are still being fired at you.

It's all perception

How often do you cut yourself on that edge?

[Mediumrarechicken]

Going to war and putting your life on the line is heroic. Millions of soldiers have died and been wounded. Most do not get the medal of honor. Your assessment is moronic.

Yes and no. You are using the word hero as a blanket statement and in the end it waters down the meaning. If I were to ask anyone I know that was in the military if they were a hero they will say no, then ask them if Roy Benevidez was a hero they would say yes. To me there is a difference between signing up for a job where you might die and being in a moment in time where you have reached a point where you know you are going to die and you dont stop.
Evading supersonic telephone poles is different than say being shot 3 times and running in the open through a 200yard rice patty a few times to drag your guys out while ak's are still being fired at you.

It's all perception





After I woke up what I mean is the difference between bravery and heroism

[parkerbink]

McCain’s final words: ‘Do not despair our present difficulties’

https://nypost.com/2018/08/27/mccain...0917-712523751

“My fellow Americans, whom I have gratefully served for sixty years, and especially my fellow Arizonans,

“Thank you for the privilege of serving you and for the rewarding life that service in uniform and in public office has allowed me to lead. I have tried to serve our country honorably. I have made mistakes, but I hope my love for America will be weighed favorably against them.

“I have often observed that I am the luckiest person on earth. I feel that way even now as I prepare for the end of my life. I have loved my life, all of it. I have had experiences, adventures and friendships enough for ten satisfying lives, and I am so thankful. Like most people, I have regrets. But I would not trade a day of my life, in good or bad times, for the best day of anyone else’s.

“I owe that satisfaction to the love of my family. No man ever had a more loving wife or children he was prouder of than I am of mine. And I owe it to America. To be connected to America’s causes – liberty, equal justice, respect for the dignity of all people – brings happiness more sublime than life’s fleeting pleasures. Our identities and sense of worth are not circumscribed but enlarged by serving good causes bigger than ourselves.

“‘Fellow Americans’ – that association has meant more to me than any other. I lived and died a proud American. We are citizens of the world’s greatest republic, a nation of ideals, not blood and soil. We are blessed and are a blessing to humanity when we uphold and advance those ideals at home and in the world. We have helped liberate more people from tyranny and poverty than ever before in history. We have acquired great wealth and power in the process.

“We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. We weaken it when we hide behind walls, rather than tear them down, when we doubt the power of our ideals, rather than trust them to be the great force for change they have always been.

“We are three-hundred-and-twenty-five million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that we all love our country we will get through these challenging times. We will come through them stronger than before. We always do.

“Ten years ago, I had the privilege to concede defeat in the election for president. I want to end my farewell to you with the heartfelt faith in Americans that I felt so powerfully that evening.

“I feel it powerfully still.

“Do not despair of our present difficulties but believe always in the promise and greatness of America, because nothing is inevitable here. Americans never quit. We never surrender. We never hide from history. We make history.

“Farewell, fellow Americans. God bless you, and God bless America.”

[parkerbink]

Everyone looks at different people as heroes. You have to do something heroic to be a hero, to me that's something that ends up with you getting the Medal of Honor. Not being an average pilot and a politican

Going to war and putting your life on the line is heroic. Millions of soldiers have died and been wounded. Most do not get the medal of honor. Your assessment is moronic.

[Mediumrarechicken]

It is a sad commentary on our country that people think a hero is a goat and a goat is a hero.

Everyone looks at different people as heroes. You have to do something heroic to be a hero, to me that's something that ends up with you getting the Medal of Honor. Not being an average pilot and a politican

[myinfernalbmw]

I wasn't exactly a McCain supporter, but there is no denying that he was a huge presence in the political landscape of our country. I respect anyone that has served our country, even if I don't agree with politicians holding office for nearly 4 decades. I also wouldn't wish any form cancer on anyone, even Hillary Clinton (and she is pretty awful).

RIP

[parkerbink]

He was my Senator and I followed him closely. He did what he thought was right.

People that judge anything from 12 seconds of internet searches need to read more.

His family were not rich (Cindy his Wife was, not his side of the family)

He was the first to admit he made mistakes how many pols do that???

[gwb72tii]

there were two sides to McCain

He was a war hero and deserves our respect and gratitude.

The political side, he was an ass and promoted himself by voting against issues he said he would support as a way to draw attention to himself. He presented himself as a conservative when in reality he was anything but. No wonder democrats hold him up as being the perfect republican.

[parkerbink]

It is a sad commentary on our country that people think a hero is a goat and a goat is a hero.

[MR E30 325is]

you guys are sad ppl. :(

Amen.

I suppose the old adage rings true.....

One thousand "atta-boys" are ruined by a single "What in the world.....?"

Can't say I am surprised that individuals can only see the surface. It takes actual effort to dig beneath it.

[LowR3V'in]

you guys are sad ppl. :(

[flyboyx]

he was the guy that tried to introduce a bill making it illegal for airline employees to strike but instead use "baseball style" arbitration in order to settle contracts. fortunately, this measure was shot down in flames.

personally, that alone really pissed me off about the guy. I've mostly had a bad taste in regard to him ever since. I'm not saying that this makes the guy a piece of shit nor am I saying his labor policies are worse than trump's......

[e30davie]

Never heard of him. But it seems ya'll have pretty opposing opinions of him.