Mk60e5 ABS

[hoveringuy]

It's for-real!

https://youtu.be/WGVeor9n8lY

[mr2peak]

Great to see someone getting the E5 to work so easily. I have an MK60 M3 CSL in another car, but now they cost so damn much (plus the cost of the CSL flash) I need a cheaper option. Definitely picking up an E5 unit soon to test.

It's really nice to see people putting ABS into cars, instead of just ripping it out.

[hoveringuy]

. Would it help with trail braking in the wet?

I did notice the unit working during light trail braking in the rain; tighter and lower speed corners where I wasn't afraid of losing it, so it does help, but physics is a bitch and if you are hauling into a corner with your brakes blazing in the wet it WILL let you spin. There's not great consensus on exactly what the SZL adds, some say it's only for the full DSC suite which requires integration with the ECU and gives stability when you're NOT braking. The track focused folks say it's not worth having.

The E5 is definitely better than the Mk60 E46 generation, and it's LEAGUES better than the original ABS.

One thing I didn't mention is that with Wilwoods all around the original ABS is too constrictive for the amount of flow I needed to move those pistons. Brake feel just sucked. The Mk60, between having independent rear lines and larger lines to the master cylinder(s) flows a ton more and feels perfect.

[Victell]

...It will absolutely let you spin the car if you trail brake in the wet, it's not a magician.

You mentioned this below earlier. Would it help with trail braking in the wet?

...Adding the steering angle gains some stability control. ... The full E90 SZL is required.

[hoveringuy]

First track day of the season, it was cold and clear in the morning and then pissing rain and windy in the afternoon. In other words, a perfect day for testing!

I'm very pleased with the MK60E5 ABS. Last year, if I stood on the brakes at the end of the straight I got LOTS of tail waggle and yawing that required constant steering inputs. (I have the Massive Race kits all around with dual MC's..)

I got up to just short of 140 today and did the same thing, the car just hauls down with absolutely ZERO drama. I even demonstrated it to an instructor the next session out, I removed my hands from the wheel and the wheel didn't move a bit under hard braking. I could feel it intervening occasionally in trail braking but for the most part it's really unobtrusive.

What's interesting about this system is that the modulation is is analog, it's controlling brake pressure per corner in real time, not the on-off-on control that vibrates your pedal.

I didn't notice it quite as much in the rain, but probably because I wasn't as keen to explore the limits. It will absolutely let you spin the car if you trail brake in the wet, it's not a magician.

My next goal is a data logging dongle so I can go back and see what it was actually doing... (wheel speeds, brake pressures, yaw rate, acceleration, etc.)

[DEV0 E30]

You're seriously setting the bar for so many things my dude. Really cool how much tech can be retrofit into an E30 chassis.

[hoveringuy]

Looks good, you can actually use wheel speeds to help hone in your brake balance while threshold breaking if you have a datalogger. Even an aim solo should be able to pick up the CAN.

Stainless lines looks nice. I reserved my LF area for Air induction real-estate.

Thanks, and agree.... I want very badly to implement logging but I have an MSV70 ECU and the Garmin lap timer, so no current logging.

Working on getting this going...

https://docs.longan-labs.cc/1030003/?fbclid=IwAR29_kKm5h5uUeiEuPIMEHfyNYBNpMWbz0eqEd6y3cPQfLvLjIVKK8YxZRk

[moatilliatta]

Looks good, you can actually use wheel speeds to help hone in your brake balance while threshold breaking if you have a datalogger. Even an aim solo should be able to pick up the CAN.

Stainless lines looks nice. I reserved my LF area for Air induction real-estate.

[hoveringuy]

So far, so good!
Everything is bled and leak-free. The ABS module is communicating with the 4 wheels and the DSC module.
It's been raining here in Seattle so lots of opportunity to test how well it works. It stops straight, no matter what, or if I'm turning, it will continue to turn.

It just works.

Brake feels is hugely improved over the stock unit, where it was so restrictive that pedal feel was very badly impacted with my Wilwoods. The new setup has 1/4" lines from the MC, plus independent lines to the rear, it feels hugely better.

I will need to see how it does at the track in a few months where weight transfer caused the rear to step-out under hard braking requiring constant steering corrections.

Also, I love that I can monitor brake pressures directly to help set my balance bar. Huge bonus.

[hoveringuy]

latitude I had several issues with the original ABS, particularly with my Wilwood kit. Primary problem is that I was moving more fluid than the ABS was capable of passing, so there was a delayed response from pressure on the pedal and braking. That issue went away when I deleted the ABS and the feel and response became great.

Second thing is that the original ABS did it's intended job fine, that is, it kept wheels from locking, but under hard braking the car was nervous and didn't maintain directional control well. It took some steering input to keep it straight.

if this unit modulates pressure to control yaw I will be 100% happy.

The other bonus is that the Mk60 is so small compared to the stock unit that I have room for my intake now!

My immediate "to do" is to figure-out the easiest way to do logging. Not with TestO but with something like this.... https://www.gridconnect.com/products...logger-sd-card

[latitude]

I have it provisioned so I can plug the SZL in to code (it connects to the bus that goes to the DSC sensor under my seat...) but I haven't needed to code anything, and I probably won't need to. The system is all connected, bled and working, just waiting for weather to clear to do some first drives.

I have mk60e1 from e90 (4cyl) swapped to my nissan, but without SZL (i'm thinking of adding it). Everything worked fine but as i wanted improve performance, i updated unit with latest software (via winkfp) and now i need to code it (it throws coding error in inpa) but i failed, i dont know which module version (mk60_87.C??) should i use in ncs dummy and i failed to find it in ncs expert...

Apparently in e1 and e5 you can code many things (like e-diff, brake size, brake caliper piston size, etc.)

[hoveringuy]

Which E5 controller are you running? Have you had it "motorsport" flashed? There's some cool stuff that can be done with E5 units.

The E90M3 unit. I know there are adjustments that can be made, gonna run "as is" first. I hear it works fine out of the box.

[Digitalwave]

Which E5 controller are you running? Have you had it "motorsport" flashed? There's some cool stuff that can be done with E5 units.

[hoveringuy]

Did you try to code it? Maybe you know, SZL its needed for coding?

I have it provisioned so I can plug the SZL in to code (it connects to the bus that goes to the DSC sensor under my seat...) but I haven't needed to code anything, and I probably won't need to. The system is all connected, bled and working, just waiting for weather to clear to do some first drives.

I'm happy with how the plumbing turned out, a $10 VW bus reservoir turned out to be the perfect form factor.

I'm stoked that I can read line pressures directly to adjust my balance bar for optimum front/rear balance, it had always been something of a guessing game before, plus this thing ROCKS for logging.

[latitude]

Did you try to code it? Maybe you know, SZL its needed for coding?