Interest in s54/s62/etc. plug-n-play?

[hoveringuy]

Just run it OBD1 and be done with it.

[triggrhaapi]

A buddy of mine has an S54 swap in his E36 that has the same done to it. One of the interesting problems he's having is that you can't run a VANOS test without clearing all the fault codes, and the setup you're describing left him with a non-resolvable DSC CEL code.

So, no, that setup isn't necessarily viable in the long term.

[BeirBrennerE30]

See sig...

Dont need to rewire the car or use another engines wiring. You just need to make an adapter harness that plugs into x60004/x6011/x6012 on one end and c101/Drive-by-wire pedal/solid state fuel relay/sport button/etc.. Then you need to do some trickery with the ECU.

you will not have a CEL but you will have an OBD2 port for diagnosis... it may be possible to use the newer CAN OBD protocol but I havnt tried too hard yet. Vanos works, DBW works, sport button works. You can delete the cats and the MAF if you want... it really opens the engine up. This of course means you can run the engine without the intake manifold on ;)

[triggrhaapi]

www.rif.org

I did read the thread, douche. There's quite a bit of electronic trickery on the modern BMW motors that makes a transplant a PITA. I remember an E30tech thread about a S54 swap (granted it was SMGII) that was a MASSIVE pain. The whole car harness had to be reworked.

[FredK]

I'm pretty sure there'd be a market for the tuning that would delete the need for a VSS.

[Ray Smoodiver]

Ummmm.... doesn't this swap require either a switch to S50B32 T/Bs and tuning or a complete and total rewire of the car to work with drive by wire and E46 TCS?

https://www.rif.org

[triggrhaapi]

Ummmm.... doesn't this swap require either a switch to S50B32 T/Bs and tuning or a complete and total rewire of the car to work with drive by wire and E46 TCS?

[dude8383]

Any progress with this? Are you still pursuing this?

[mutty]

At $1500 you are way less than half the price of Bimmerworld [$3300] so why not get something up and running so that people can compare performance wise? Do not get dis-heartened because most critics will not have the guts/money to do the swap anyway.

[BeirBrennerE30]

Here's a link for an S54 E30 at BW, started by James Clay: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1367566

In light on Bimmerworld offering this I am not going to offer anything for sale. The wiring is much more difficult than the m50 style swaps as you have to create you own separate harness. I have been mostly focusing on the s62 but since its the identical ECU to the s54 its almost the exact same wiring.

Basically when you get your s62 there will only be 4 plugs on the harness of the 5 spots on the ECU. That empty spot is x60004 and is a 40 pin connector. This serves as the connection for the MSS54 to the car. There is also a white plug x6011 that is a 12 min connector. You need to create a harness that plugs into x60004 and splices into x6011 and then go to c101. on top of this you will need to add the "start" relay that is needed as well as splicing c101 pin 15 to terminal 30h on the starter. There are other ways to jury rig it so it works but this is how the wiring is supposed to be. Also in the US spec s62/54 you done have a standard fuel relay per say. Due to the high fuel demand for the s62 the ECU pulse width modulates the fuel pump at engine speed. This is good since less fuel gets sent to the engine then back to the tank. Its bad since if you used a standard relay it would sound like a tiny helicopter in your engine bay (it was fin scary). SOOO the s62/54 uses a solid state relay in the trunk area. you need this relay and to wire it in properly.

Here is a quick and dirty run down of the pins. this is from memory so I think I may be forgetting some of the unused pins. this assumes a '89 325is c101
x60004
1- D+... to c101-1
2-reverse lights
3- Air pump emissions crap
4- efan on
5-n/c
6-start input... c101-18
7- pin 7 on PWG
8- pin 5 on pwg
9- pin 2 on pwg
10- n/c
11- oil pressure switch... c101-5
12- pin 8 on pwg
13- pin 1 on pwg
14- pin 6 on pwg
15- sport switch... momentary gnd
16- sport led... supply for sport confirm
17- Tach... c101-9/OBD-9
18-DMTL emissions crap
19-reverse lights
20-n/c
21-n/c
22-rear right wheel speed in-still playing with this one
23-emission crap
24- brake light
25-emissions crap
26- voltage supply... c101-6/obd-1
27- more crap you dont want
28- DMTL crap
29- A/c comp on signal
30-DMTL bullshit
31- n/c
32-TXD2...obd 7
33- EWS
34-brake test
35-n/c
36-can-h...obd 7 if you want to try a newer obd protocol
37- can-l...obd 14 see above
38- rad out signal
39- rad out gnd
40- start to ground side of start relay coil

for x6011
1power with ignition on...c101-7
2-fuel pump... to fp relay
3-from start relay switch side from bat to starter
4-n/c
5-clutch sense
6-ignition... c101-6
7- battery out from main relay... c101-20 if you have one
8-n/c
9n/c
10 coolant sense signal... you can mod this for use with e30 gauge sensor
11- ground for above-ignore
12-n/c

Notes:

The PWG can be either the hall sensor in newer cars or the pots from the older cars. They are interchangeable and out put the same signals on the same pins. The hall sensor module is easier to fit in the e30.

You loose the CEL, the oil level sensor, and service light reset. You can wire in the oil level sensor and you can get tricky and wire in the service reset into an empty OBD connector pit and just jump it like you would in the e30 diag connector. The CEL you are kinda SOL but you can pull codes from the OBD plug.

[sharksforthecup]

did you catch the title of this thread?

Of course I did, thats why I'm interested in this thread.

Obviously my point is why post something that is way overpriced.

[FredK]

Here's a link for an S54 E30 at BW, started by James Clay: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1367566

[mutty]

last I heard, bimmerworld doesnt do this anymore.

Oh yes they still do.

[Skafrog]

last I heard, bimmerworld doesnt do this anymore.

[matt]

well Bimmerworld has been offering this for years... at the tune of $3000+. oh and you needed to figure out your own wiring.

Bimmerworld modifies your harness.