ix vs others

[nando]

And tire temp really? Again that goes back to grip. Plus it all depends on what tires ur running. On slicks u want them to get hotter but on normal all weather tires u wouldn't.

I dont even know how to respond to this. Tire temps are very important, it doesnt matter if its a snow tire or hoosier race slick. If you want to see how your suspension is working, tire temps will tell you whats happening. You want *even* temps across the tire, it doesnt matter what kind of tire it is.

With stock front geometry you will be overheating the outside edges of the front tires. Correcting this will solve.most of the bad understeer, making the rear uneccesarily stiff will not.

You can remove the rear bar with sufficiently stiff springs, but stock springs are too soft.

[Wh33lhop]

stuff

Chill the fuck out. We all know what internet car 101 taught us in general. That does not necessarily coincide with how the E30 responds.

You are pretty new here. Show some respect and try for a civilized discussion instead of childish jabs--when you are shown up you will be able to eat your words with more dignity.

[Jaxx_]

Chill the fuck out. We all know what internet car 101 taught us in general. That does not necessarily coincide with how the E30 responds.

You are pretty new here. Show some respect and try for a civilized discussion instead of childish jabs--when you are shown up you will be able to eat your words with more dignity.

you're right, the e30 doesn't follow the laws of physics, or any of the general principles.

Nando's last post is much more informed compared to the other ones. The reason I'm not 'chill' in your eyes is because bad information spreads and people start blowing their load on bullshit products. You see it everywhere on r3v. from selling powersteering delete blocks to adjustable sway links for lowered cars. I like r3v. I like the people. I like you. I'm just saying I've yet to see a dyno graph of an eta block with an 885 head. People need to think for themselves, and yeah, you see it on pretty much every forum. On volvospeed it's HIDs, r-bumper, and pegasus wheels. On r3v it's 885 head, GC coilovers, and euro bumpers.

Don't take my post personally. It's about fostering a discussion that should be based on fact and not feelings. But to say things like e30 will oversteer more without a rear sway is ridiculous. Tell that to any other M10 owner.



edit: also, I see you're a full 10 months older to r3v than me. good shit, bro.

[matt0300]

Nando that makes sense on the tire temp, I took it the wrong way.

[Wh33lhop]

you're right, the e30 doesn't follow the laws of physics, or any of the general principles.

You seem to confuse "laws of physics" with "simplified setup rules." Yes we know the general rule of roll stiffness, but that assumes a flat camber curve. Compromised E30 suspension geometry does not offer anything near that.

Nando's last post is much more informed compared to the other ones.

Most of his posts are pretty informed. You just assumed otherwise because he didn't write a novel about it.

The reason I'm not 'chill' in your eyes is because bad information spreads and people start blowing their load on bullshit products.

And I am right there with you. But when nobody knows who the fuck you are and you start brashly challenging OGs citing old, basic setup rules that everyone's familiar with it displays a prominent lack of tact. Civilized discussions do not involve insults.

Don't take my post personally. It's about fostering a discussion that should be based on fact and not feelings. But to say things like e30 will oversteer more without a rear sway is ridiculous. Tell that to any other M10 owner.

I don't take anything on the interwebs personally. In fact I agree with you on the rear sway point--IIRC most guys who remove them do so to put down power better. But you've got to get a handle on that 'tude.

edit: also, I see you're a full 10 months older to r3v than me. good shit, bro.

You assume when I say that you are "new" that I am going by your join date. Really when I say "new" I mean "the only reason I recognize your handle is because I remember when you almost rolled your M10 trying to slide it." ;)

[nando]

I didn't want to type more because typing on a phone sucks :p

the ix is a double edged sword, it's similar to the RWD platform so many of the same rules apply, and at the same time it's completely different. Tuning is mostly trial/error. I've made a lot of errors..

Lucky for us, GC came out with a real ix camber plate (the major thing the ix lacked). I'm still pinching myself over that one. I intend on picking one up soon before they stop making them due to lack of sales. :p

right now I have modified/fixed camber plates, great for cornering, sucky for tire wear..

[matt0300]

Wait gc has camber plates for the IX?! Nice

[nando]

yes, just recently

[mybimr]

whew! after spending some minutes I'll never get back reading this loooonnnngg post. I feel I need to chime in to make it worth my while!

:D

So to the OP's question....and as background, I've owned at least one e30 since 1995 and now have 5, including an IX. I live in a heavy snow area on the leward side of Lake Michigan, so we get some of the worst driving weather, but also nice summer days. I drive all of them year round (except the vert). So here's my advice:

1 - if you're new to the e30 scene and don't know much about maintaining or repairing your car yourself, don't start with the ix.

2 - if you're on a tight budget, and don't like the prospect of spending 2x money on what looks like the same part as that on a non-ix, don't start with an ix.

3 - if you live in an area where the worst weather is mostly rain or occasional snow, don't start with an ix.

4 - contrary to what is stated above, an ix is MORE mainenance. It's simple reliability formulas....two cars with components that have similar MTBF, but one car has double or triple the drivetrain components, the machine with more components will be less reliable. don't listen to anyone who tries to tell you otherwise.

5 - they are cars with different strokes for different folks. The ix is slower, but does handle nasty roads better. It doesn't feel a lot slower due to the higher gear ratios in the drive train, but then on the highway, you're running several hundred rpm more than the is. Gas mileage is only slightly lower, but a six banger e30 is not the most efficient thing in the first place. You definitely can feel the extra weight and the higher center of gravity. The ix is not nearly as much fun on dry roads as the is.

6 - the other myth buster I'll throw in here is that the e30 2wd is NOT that bad in snow (first hand experience for 15 years). The keys are: get LSD, bridgestone blizzaks (or similar) all around, don't put weight in the trunk and screw up the 50/50 balance. They actually perform much better than fwd cars. Absolutely true. But that's another thread topic.

OK, now I can move on...

BTW, I don't need 5 e30's and will be selling my ix soon....just a heads-up!

:razz:

edit: After re-reading my post, I thought I would add that if you can turn a wrench and have some good disposable income, the IX is a very fun, rare car to own and drive. I wasn't trying to hate on the ix, but looking at it from the perspecive of someone introducing themselves to the e30.

[dannyyisntt]

I'm about 1 hour - 45 mins south of the snow belt in michigan and spend a great deal of time inside it. The ix is an awesome performer when it comes to snow and poor road conditions in general, but if it's a vehicle you see yourself driving year round and you don't regularly see snow or other poor conditions, it's over kill.

There's a reason why my ix is only on the road from late September till April (besides the fact it's already rusty and my other vehicles aren't). Stock ix's can be semi boring to drive on dry roads, you don't and won't get as good of gas mileage as an is, suspension costs are greater, so it's nice to have a few months worth down time for maintenance.

As far as reliability goes make sure you find one that's been well maintained, if you do go ix. I didn't, but I've gotten lucky having only paid $600 for the car and in three years spent less than another $600 in repairs. My car is a freak of nature, but that's a different story.

Exorb the information the person that posted above me posted, it's truth.

[Drewskiii]

starting out with an ix

yahhh I agree with everyone here in saying don't start with an ix. I did and I'm already wanting to kick myself in the teeth. But on the bright side I love it, it's fun to drive, and I'm hoping I can save up and buy an is for april or may through october and save the ix for snowwwwww.