M20 distributor limitations and timing advance effect on the spark

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  • zaq123
    E30 Mastermind
    • Jul 2016
    • 1567

    #1

    M20 distributor limitations and timing advance effect on the spark

    does anyone know what is a design gap between distributor rotor and cap posts for each cyl when rotor is just above it? I roughly measured both and it's about 2mm. Basically what I see with my cam at 3 degrees retarded:
    • Rotor-to-cap terminal air gap: approximately 2.0 mm, calculated estimate, not physically measured.
    • Rotor leading edge over terminal center: 25.5° BTDC (measured).
    • Rotor trailing edge over terminal center: approximately 35–36° ATDC.
    • Total rotor-to-terminal overlap range: approximately 31.6° BTDC to 42.1° ATDC, accounting for the 4.6 mm terminal width

    my dyno tuner did some weird stuff and I'm catching a lot of mistakes, wrong injector flow/dead times would be the worst one. My VE table was weird looking so I went digging. All figured out and corrected.
    Now I wonder if some knock he heard mid range that made him drop the timing was related to improper fueling.
    But not what my question is about, I'm just second guessing everything that was programmed into this car by him now. So he made my Base IGN table like this: low tps regions 1-3 (I run AlphaN) above 2000 rpm-redline at 41' adv and 5% tps at 40 at the same rpm range. I've been having some throttle tip-in roughness after decel so I dropped the ignition down in those cells to 38 and 36 and all better now.

    Just wondering if it's due to rotor to distributor contact limitations on M20? At his 41 degree setting, spark has to jump calculated 4mm gap from the rotor corner to the edge of the contact. At my current 38 and 36 btdc the spark gap is 3mm and 2.55mm.
    Last edited by zaq123; Yesterday, 06:50 AM.
  • digger
    R3V OG
    • Nov 2005
    • 6203

    #2
    i might be wrong but i thought the stock motrornic map was less than 40* ? Likely for this reason
    89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

    new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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    • varg
      Florida Turbo Man
      • May 2014
      • 3435

      #3
      Is the trigger angle verified? All ignition advance maps are suspect until it is known that 0° is actually 0°. If you don't know that the timing is accurate, the only way to tune is give the engine what it wants on the dyno or some surrogate like trial and error road tuning. Stock maps don't go past 40° but whether that is due to physical limitations of the distributor I don't know, I never tried running more advance than that when I had a distributor or I'd try it just to see what happens and tell you. The width of the rotor electrode from my memory sure seems like it would have more than 40° of useful angle (20° at the rotor would be 40° at the crank) but I never tried measuring it.

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      Last edited by varg; Yesterday, 05:05 PM.

      IG @turbovarg
      '91 318is, M20 turbo
      '94 525iT slicktop, M50B30 + S362SX-E, 600WHP DD or bust
      '93 RX-7 FD3S, pretty and slow

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      • zaq123
        E30 Mastermind
        • Jul 2016
        • 1567

        #4
        yeap. trigger angle was set, Time offset was figured out, all that. Timing light stays dead on the mark at idle or 5k rpm. Did it all on the day one. Tuner was a man of zero words. Was an interesting experience. The measurements for the rotor that I did are all based of the crank degrees.

        walked in to the tuner with this
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        walked out with this
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