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    Manual Swap Questions

    I decided to start this thread for my son's and my manual swap in an '86 ES coupe. I have a few questions as we start on this, partly because we've never done one, and partly because I don't have a manual E30 in front of me to see how the pieces go together, especially when you're dealing with a bunch of swap pieces assembled from different sources and donor car.

    I have a couple of good write-ups to go on - Yoshi & Viet's at E30performance.info (pics long gone), a good guide on E30Tech by NOKE325 with pics, a couple of tips & tricks write-ups, and posts here. We have the Bentley manual.

    We've cleaned the case, had three independent transmission shops spin the shafts and generally nod that "it seemed good." The oil we drained is golden brown and seems fairly new. There was an engine/ grass fire under the donor car in Spokane, so some of the rubber and plastic fittings got hot and started to melt. I removed the rubber harmonic balancer from the output shaft yoke per some advice here.

    We pulled all the seals yesterday, ready to install new. All new breather valve and back-up switch, mounts, etc. Sent the donor driveshaft to Driveshaft Specialist in Texas to rebuild. They seem to do good work and reasonable price. I got a nice flywheel from one of the Northwest guys here and had it resurfaced at our NAPA. Using an OEM SACHS clutch kit.

    Boxes of swap parts arriving. Shipping these days is frustrating - you pay for 2-day and it comes in two weeks. They apologize and credit the shipping, but we're under a deadline before he moves away, so the car sits while we could be working on it.

    Our car is an early eta single mass flywheel, with the plate shifter assembly. Using a great thread here from 2011, our case is a 260.0.1270.90, the slave cylinder mounting depth is 6 1/2", and the case has no mounting ears for the late style shifter arm.

    So I'll have some noobie and dumb questions as we get started here. Starting with:

    1. Is the reverse wiring harness already on the automatic car? I couldn't see up in there very well. The two CPS's will just swap across to the new bellhousing.

    2. Anything special about installing the three seals? Just a big socket the right size and tap them in? Flush with the case or as deep as they'll go?

    3. Should I take a strip of emery cloth to the output flange to clean it up? There's some black areas where the seal ran, but nothing you can feel with your fingernail.

    4. I found a pedal assembly not from the donor car, maybe from a 528e. Bushings seem smooth. It looks right, but has an extra bracket on it and I just want to verify it's gonna work.

    What is the zinc-plated bracket mounted here? It pivots on the bolt axis. I don't see this on E30 diagrams. Just remove it?
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    Is this the correct set-up for an E30? The switch on the clutch is a neutral safety switch? Or a cruise control switch?
    I also ordered a brake switch mount bracket that's a different shape than the one with the square hole here. I use the same brake switch that's already on the car?
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    When we're done, the pedals should be in the same plane, correct? Not like this. Do the switch brackets adjust the pedal height, or the master cylinder attachment?
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    As you push the clutch pedal in, the spring goes over center and pops out the top. Something else must keep the spring and arm from going too far, but then how does the clutch pedal go to the floor?
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    Last edited by LateFan; 07-22-2020, 12:07 PM.

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    I hunted all over America and beyond for this basic steel shift plate bracket. Lucked out and found one in SoCal.

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    Some emery cloth to clean up this input seal sleeve? It's smooth to the touch.
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      #3
      The car it's going into.....
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      The flywheel. Thickness machined surface to outside of ring gear is about 28mm. Total thickness 37mm. One square trigger on the rim. Three pins.

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        #4
        Hey brother. So the wiring hookup should already be in the car. I found this youtube video the most helpful:

        How to properly bypass the neutral safety switch wiring when 5 speed swapping your LHD auto e30.


        This writeup, was nice to compare the video to as it has some decent pictures of the harnesses and locations in the car. Post #15 sums it up pretty well:



        Luckily my car (and I bet yours as well) didn't have cruise control so it made the wiring that much simpler.

        Also, I did a pretty decent writeup on sealing the trans, see here:



        Was having difficulty at the time with the new software (James had just upgraded) so the writeup ended up being several posts long, just keep scrolling through. My car is also an '86 325e so should be identical to yours. I'm pretty sure I drew out all the wiring stuff when I did my swap last year, one of those things where I knew it completely inside and out while I was doing it but now I'm a little foggy. If I can find any notes I took I'd be happy to send them your way.

        As for you pedal, I'd make sure the bolt holes line up with your brake booster, as well as where the clutch master mounts that it lines up with the hole in the firewall for the clutch line. It looks a little different to my eye than the e30 one in terms of alignment. The most frustrating part of the whole job for me was actually getting the new pedal, clutch master, and lines mounted up as it's really tight under the dash and the bolts are rather hard to reach.
        '86 325e Zinnoberrot /// '02 325ci Schwarz II /// '18 M4 Azurite Black Metallic ///

        Albie325 Build Thread | Albie325 COTM Jan 2021

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          #5
          Oh, and for the output shaft seal, DONT keep tapping as far as it will go, I made that mistake and pushed the seal all the way into the trans case, ruining it. $30 and a week later I had a new seal, lesson learned. Just get it so that it's about 1mm farther in than the previous one so the seal has fresh metal on the shaft to seal to. Over time, the seal can wear a groove in the shaft and if you install the new seal at the same depth, it will keep wearing into the same groove and start to leak. Same goes for the input shaft seal and selector rod seal, but at least you dont run the risk of pushing them in too far.
          '86 325e Zinnoberrot /// '02 325ci Schwarz II /// '18 M4 Azurite Black Metallic ///

          Albie325 Build Thread | Albie325 COTM Jan 2021

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              #7
              OK....realOEM shows two different numbers for the pedal assembly.

              E30 5/86, no airbags: # 35111157719.

              E28 (528e) 5/86: # 35111157728.

              E30......
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              Ours clearly has the E28 bolt flange. Used parts man conned me. "Oh, they're all the same piece."

              Let me look to see if that flange unbolts or could be cut off.

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                #8
                Yep, I think they're the same piece with an extra bracket stitch-welded onto the end of the 528 piece. I'll see if I can get a grinder wheel or a dremel in there.

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                  #9
                  Cut the welds with a dremel cutting wheel, cleaned them up with a grinding wheel, primed and painted. Bingo, an E30 pedal box out of a 528e pedal box.

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                  Does anyone know if this curved piece with a welded nut is supposed to be there?
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                    #10
                    I have some grease and sealant questions -

                    The book says to use molybdenum disulphide grease on the T.O. bearing groove and guides, and "Microlube GL261" on the clutch splines and input shaft splines.

                    This pack of grease comes with the SACHS clutch.
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                    Should I just use this for those areas?

                    That stuff is fairly hard to find. I did find a big tub of moly disulphide grease with lithium at an Autozone. Microlube became Esso, which became Mobil "Unirex S2." I'm not finding it around here.

                    I just read you shouldn't grease the T.O. bearing if it's plastic. It picks up clutch dust and grinds itself.



                    Then it says to use Loctite 270 or Curil K2 for the output shaft "sealer." 270 is long gone, and it appears 263 is the closest replacement. Can't find it at local ap stores.

                    For the input shaft flange sealant, it says Loctite 573 - which has been replaced by 510. I believe this is just an anaerobic flange sealer, which I just used on a 5 cyl Volvo head so it's available I think in Permatex.

                    The average chain parts store clod says "You want thread locker, we got thread locker. Red or blue?"
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                      #11
                      OK - I found a tube of Loctite 263 at my Fastenal store. Have Permatex anaerobic flange sealant. I found a tub of moly disulphide grease with lithium at an Autozone. Found fine emery cloth to polish seal surfaces.

                      Driveshaft is already back from Driveshaft Specialist - quick turnaround. Has new balance weights welded on.

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                      A handful of delayed shipping bits are arriving in the next few days.

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                        #12
                        You may not even have to change the pedal box. Many of the auto cars came with the captive nuts that hold the master cylinder. You only need to change the box if those captive nuts are missing.

                        Also that flange/damper on the trans output shaft is easily removed. Just put a nut on the threads of the bolts so they don't get damaged, and knock the knurled bolts out with a hammer, then pound them back in after removing the flange.

                        The wiring is simple to omit the neutral lock-out relay, just a matter of moving the black/yellow starter wire from the auto harness (all cars came wired for manual, autos had the pigtail added), and plugging it directly into the ignition switch where the black/white wire is (as in the links above).




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                          OK, I'll look at that, thanks. I just didn't want to pound on those flange ears too hard.

                          Got the shifter assembled last night. There's a wire "c-clip" in the assembly that fits in the groove inside the upper shift lever, but it's not clear what it does. I have a realoem diagram and the Bentley diagram and the order of bits isn't the same. But it all works - the tiny c-clip holds up the big washer and rubber donut so it doesn't slide down when you press on the upper lever.

                          Can you lift the trans up into the tunnel with the shift lever on? Is there room?

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                          I could only find Permatex anaerobic gasket maker, not anaerobic "flange sealant" for the input shaft sleeve. Will that work fine for that piece?

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                            #14
                            I tend to put the shifters in after the trans. The plate screws are accessible, specially if you leave the back of the tans hanging.

                            Permatex should be fine.

                            If you are concerned about the flange getting bent (shouldn't), use a socket that's bigger than the bolt head as a stop. A press, or even a vice works too. They are only knurled on the very end and pop out pretty easily (even a brass hammer).
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                              #15
                              OK, thanks.

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