Denny's M62B44 swap (MS2 installed First start VIDEO inside)

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  • smalcol
    Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 70

    #91
    The IAT sensor is important for NA cars as well, it's used in the fueling algorithm to determine the mass of the incoming air. It could also retard timing, but primarily it's used as one of the two variables in determining injector pulse width.(MAP and IAT) It's going to get heat soaked behind the throttle body, it's somewhere further toward the incoming air in most cars.

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    • Denny
      E30 Modder
      • Jan 2010
      • 822

      #92
      Originally posted by smalcol
      The IAT sensor is important for NA cars as well, it's used in the fueling algorithm to determine the mass of the incoming air. It could also retard timing, but primarily it's used as one of the two variables in determining injector pulse width.(MAP and IAT) It's going to get heat soaked behind the throttle body, it's somewhere further toward the incoming air in most cars.
      After more research done ...hard to find information on these BMW COP,s I think you are correct... Signal wire is the one that MS grounds to activate spark. If this is correct and I think your right on the money on this nothing is lost so far...all I have created with the ground wires so far is a complicated for nothing but still ok not have to be redone. I will just do the signals wires in wasted spark mode as I have not cut them off.

      The IAT sensor still have to determine location but it will be easy and if indeed its used for density (I tough air measurement was MAF related and integrated) and that MAP and TPS was the best way to measure Fuel but we learn something everyday thank you for sharing I appreciate it :) saved me some time...
      Denny
      ___________
      1990 BMW red 325IC M30B35 all stock Girlfriends ride
      1991 BMW black 318IC (M62b44 Megasquirt 2 ver 3.57)

      Blogs:
      http://bmw325e30.blogspot.com/ (restoration)
      http://bmw325e30turbo.blogspot.com (Twincharge M20)
      http://bmw325e30m62b44.blogspot.ca/

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      • dirtysix
        E30 Modder
        • Aug 2006
        • 806

        #93
        All your pinouts and info will be here if you haven't found this site yet http://www.bmw-planet.com/diagrams/r...9old/index.htm

        A6000 is the ecu number and X6000 the ecu connecter. Dunno if it's any help but anyway.

        Also, IAT sensor is located inside the airbox post filter in an E39.
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        • Denny
          E30 Modder
          • Jan 2010
          • 822

          #94
          Originally posted by dirtysix
          All your pinouts and info will be here if you haven't found this site yet http://www.bmw-planet.com/diagrams/r...9old/index.htm

          A6000 is the ecu number and X6000 the ecu connecter. Dunno if it's any help but anyway.

          Also, IAT sensor is located inside the airbox post filter in an E39.
          Thanks man appreciate the link... this looks very promising...just need to fix my security setting to accept java for the website its not loading :(
          Denny
          ___________
          1990 BMW red 325IC M30B35 all stock Girlfriends ride
          1991 BMW black 318IC (M62b44 Megasquirt 2 ver 3.57)

          Blogs:
          http://bmw325e30.blogspot.com/ (restoration)
          http://bmw325e30turbo.blogspot.com (Twincharge M20)
          http://bmw325e30m62b44.blogspot.ca/

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          • dirtysix
            E30 Modder
            • Aug 2006
            • 806

            #95
            Oh yeah. Forgot to mention that....
            Think you need to create an exception for that site or something from memory.
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            • The Dark Side of Will
              R3VLimited
              • Jun 2010
              • 2796

              #96
              Originally posted by Denny
              The IAT sensor still have to determine location but it will be easy and if indeed its used for density (I tough air measurement was MAF related and integrated) and that MAP and TPS was the best way to measure Fuel but we learn something everyday thank you for sharing I appreciate it :) saved me some time...
              In a speed-density system, the IAT is an integral part of the air density calculation, which drives the air mass calculation. IOW if you run with MAP/TPS but no IAT, you'll have to retune every time the ambient temperature changes.

              In a MAF system, the IAT is not used significantly in the air mass calculation because the MAF measures air mass directly.
              In a MAF system, the IAT has only a small influence on the fuel calculation, because ambient temp affects the vaporization rate of the fuel.

              In both systems, IAT affects ignition timing.

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              • Denny
                E30 Modder
                • Jan 2010
                • 822

                #97
                Radiator installed, MS2 arrived


                Z4 M coupe OEM radiator installed
                flex-a-lite 16" electric fan installed
                MS2 V3.57 with all the goodies even the infamous IAT sensor lolll (my experience tuning was limited to Forced induction cars all my life so news to me its needed so importantly for timing in N/A but I would install it anyways for extra protection too.)
                8 feet of wiring..
                going to be fun I love wiring jobs..
                Coolant expansion tank...with some nice mounts :) who needs a 18 anyways
                looks like I will have to remove and tap the coolant passage for the (Brown 1 pin oem gauge sensor and GM Coolant temp) 2 nice spots right there thanks BMW
                Denny
                ___________
                1990 BMW red 325IC M30B35 all stock Girlfriends ride
                1991 BMW black 318IC (M62b44 Megasquirt 2 ver 3.57)

                Blogs:
                http://bmw325e30.blogspot.com/ (restoration)
                http://bmw325e30turbo.blogspot.com (Twincharge M20)
                http://bmw325e30m62b44.blogspot.ca/

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                • MonkeyMadness
                  No R3VLimiter
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 3251

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Denny
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                  Coolant expansion tank...with some nice mounts :) who needs a 18 anyways


                  Are you fucking kidding me right now? That is some hard core Fab work right there! :loco:
                  https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar...re-irs.356333/

                  This Forum is built on love, and powered by Sexual Tension!

                  When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

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                  • Denny
                    E30 Modder
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 822

                    #99
                    1K worth of Computer Engine management... and all you see is a 1$ socket used as a spacer

                    LOLLL..ok ok I will at least paint it:devil:
                    Denny
                    ___________
                    1990 BMW red 325IC M30B35 all stock Girlfriends ride
                    1991 BMW black 318IC (M62b44 Megasquirt 2 ver 3.57)

                    Blogs:
                    http://bmw325e30.blogspot.com/ (restoration)
                    http://bmw325e30turbo.blogspot.com (Twincharge M20)
                    http://bmw325e30m62b44.blogspot.ca/

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                    • CMart
                      Advanced Member
                      • Mar 2014
                      • 156

                      #100
                      Awesome progress can't wait to see you get it running.

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                      • Denny
                        E30 Modder
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 822

                        #101
                        Originally posted by CMart
                        Awesome progress can't wait to see you get it running.
                        Thanks Bro...almost there ... :)

                        More wiring done...etc....

                        • MS2 12V DONE(To battery direct for testing purpose for now) + 5A FUSE
                        • Grounds DONE + Engine
                        • MAP DONE
                        • INJ Bank 1 DONE + 10A FUSE
                        • INJ bank 2 DONE + 10A FUSE
                        • COP Bank 1 DONE + 30A FUSECOP Bank 2 DONE + 30A FUSE
                        • TPS DONE
                        • IAT DONE
                        • COOLANT DONE
                        • VR +/- DONE
                        • Starter DONE

                        Almost finished:

                        • IAC
                        • Alternator
                        • COP power
                        • INJ 1 and 2 Power
                        • Fuel Pump
                        • Wideband
                        • QuadSpark




                        I re-used the bmw M20 Coolant sensor just had to get the ohms-Temp good old fashioned way...beats having to remove and TAP rear coolant pipe..

                        every wire is Crimped and heat shrink (doing TPS in this picture)
                        IAT in the stock Air pipes..just did a rubber Gromet for it... factory look.
                        more to come... at this point (without Fuel and spark) I will start testing the sensor with MS2 plugged direct to battery to see if everything is ok so far.... then I will test SPARK and end with Fuel.
                        Denny
                        ___________
                        1990 BMW red 325IC M30B35 all stock Girlfriends ride
                        1991 BMW black 318IC (M62b44 Megasquirt 2 ver 3.57)

                        Blogs:
                        http://bmw325e30.blogspot.com/ (restoration)
                        http://bmw325e30turbo.blogspot.com (Twincharge M20)
                        http://bmw325e30m62b44.blogspot.ca/

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                        • GAbOS
                          E30 Addict
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 523

                          #102
                          Very interested in the MS2 results. Keep it up!

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                          • MX339
                            Advanced Member
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 123

                            #103
                            You've probably got it figured out by now, but here's the wiring schematic for the E36 M42's which also use three wire coils. The M50 (which uses the same COP as the M62) diagram is the same, but the M42 diagram is a little easier to decipher.


                            I still don't understand it entirely. You've got the power coming from the igniters in the DME and the ground wire. The one I don't understand is the wire coming from the ignition switch. Is it just a constant 12v source for the coil to charge?

                            I'm actually using some VW coils with built in igniters for my Microsquirt unit, so I've been poking around the wiring diagrams to see what wiring I can reuse in my harness.
                            75' M42 Powered 2002
                            AW 318is

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                            • Denny
                              E30 Modder
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 822

                              #104
                              Originally posted by CMart
                              Awesome progress can't wait to see you get it running.
                              Originally posted by GAbOS
                              Very interested in the MS2 results. Keep it up!
                              Last night I plugged in my laptop to read the sensors done so far.. gave 12V to MS and everything looks good so far expect my TPS... (can only read from 20% to 70% so I will check this tonight and update..

                              Originally posted by MX339
                              You've probably got it figured out by now, but here's the wiring schematic for the E36 M42's which also use three wire coils. The M50 (which uses the same COP as the M62) diagram is the same, but the M42 diagram is a little easier to decipher.
                              I still don't understand it entirely. You've got the power coming from the igniters in the DME and the ground wire. The one I don't understand is the wire coming from the ignition switch. Is it just a constant 12v source for the coil to charge?

                              I'm actually using some VW coils with built in igniters for my Microsquirt unit, so I've been poking around the wiring diagrams to see what wiring I can reuse in my harness.

                              I still have to test this out for spark when I do the wasted spark quadspark setup but so far from the ones that I talked too... 3 PINS (Greens=Constant 12V Browns=Constant Ground to heads (other PIN different colors) goes to MS.
                              Denny
                              ___________
                              1990 BMW red 325IC M30B35 all stock Girlfriends ride
                              1991 BMW black 318IC (M62b44 Megasquirt 2 ver 3.57)

                              Blogs:
                              http://bmw325e30.blogspot.com/ (restoration)
                              http://bmw325e30turbo.blogspot.com (Twincharge M20)
                              http://bmw325e30m62b44.blogspot.ca/

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                              • Denny
                                E30 Modder
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 822

                                #105
                                more wiring...more testing.... making good progress


                                Calibrated the TPS to perfection.. I connected Starter and Cranked engine over to check for RPM (means the VR is reading correct :) Got 150 rpm and 3inches of Vaccum which is good but not great and I was wondering what the problem was ...well I found it :) The ICV was open so that creates a a vacuum leak hence why my vaccum test was just ok... I`m going to wires the ICV and tested it....closed it and recrank few times to re-test.

                                Also in the works going to built a heatsink for the quadspark...cause spark will be my next step...and finish with Fuel and then start the engine, tune for Idle....so on...
                                Denny
                                ___________
                                1990 BMW red 325IC M30B35 all stock Girlfriends ride
                                1991 BMW black 318IC (M62b44 Megasquirt 2 ver 3.57)

                                Blogs:
                                http://bmw325e30.blogspot.com/ (restoration)
                                http://bmw325e30turbo.blogspot.com (Twincharge M20)
                                http://bmw325e30m62b44.blogspot.ca/

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