The OFFICIAL 2013 Formula 1 thread!

[mcr_driver]

This x INFINITY. There are SO many people here demonizing Vettel, who must never have seen some of the shit that Schumi and Senna pulled back in the day.

This in no way disparages my rabid love of the sport, but F1 now is TOUCH FOOTBALL compared to what it was 10-20 years ago.

Just look at Suzuka :rofl:

Touch is being kind, it's flag football if that.

Yeah, but people hated on Senna and Schumi back in their day too. It's definitely a "love to hate" relationship.

People love hate senna and schumi for different reasons the same with vettel. This is just another reason to another person for XYZ factors.

z31 hit it on the head. Two totaly different things.

Hugo is also right when he says F1 has become touchfootball, with the whole one blocking move, drs, and all the other gimicks to create artificially close racing. Its closer to nascrap than the roots of f1 now. Dont kid yourself about pirelli changing compounds in season due to routine analysis, the good teams have already figured out the new tires so they are switching them to level the field again......Soon they will abanden local yellows altogther(sarcasim with a touch of truth prob).

I don't mind DRS but the worst is a one block move...I guess this is why I get more excited over DTM and Super V8 now :rofl:

From what I've read, Schumacher never disobeyed orders and passed a teammate - maybe I'm wrong and maybe google is hiding it from me. It looks to me like his team was told to let him win. ENTIRELY different, even if it still is BS.

Schumi never had to disobey because then he would be disobeying himself. I like the comment Roseberg noted about Schumi leaving mercedes that he felt like he had a voice. I think that echo's every driver alongside Schumacher throughout his career.

[GillesBigCowboy]

Blahblah whinewhine.... So let's get back to the racing.
Predictions for next race?
Will McLaren be more competitive?
Will Alonso win at home?

[GillesBigCowboy]

Predicting f1 is tough these days.

[ELVA164]

Predicting f1 is tough these days.

That's a good thing! Also, I'm glad I finally caught up on races so I could come back in this thread.

As far as F1 being like "the good old days," that's an impossibility and not worth hoping for. The cars these days require far too much development during each race to be competitive with each other, and they are so heavily dependent on aerodynamic grip that close racing can only be so close before it becomes a procession. Things like DRS and one-block moves help to combat that, and I really don't think it's hurt the sport. The past year or two in particular have been FULL of exciting races in at least some part of the order. Just look at Dubai! Generally a boring track, but there were awesome battles all the way down the order. I don't think Sutil or Massa or Rosberg or Button or Perez or Alonso or either of the Caterham boys would call that race flag football.

[GillesBigCowboy]

Nice job on the international feed for the quali, and I think we will have an exciting race tomorrow... Not too long ago, this circuit produced a lot of boring races.

[mcr_driver]

Who are these posters above ^??

Anyways interesting to see how bad tire management has been as of late for pirelli I knew their street tires were poop after a few thousand miles but delaminating after a dozen laps yikes... I wonder if the FIA will be looking at a new tire manufacturer if this continues.

[naplesE30]

They are following the fia directions.. I think pirrelli will pull out before the fia search for a replacement. I remember bridgestone at the end saying wlhow terrible f1 is for a tire manufacturer. In the old tire war days if a team won it was because of a great drive , when they lost it was always because of the tires. Itz a no win situation for the tire manufacturer. How long will pirrelli spend millions to trash their own name.

Ifeel bad for them but they agreed to the fia terms. Here is to hoping for better compounds for next year.

[oliver.r]

they are following the fia directions.. I think pirrelli will pull out before the fia search for a replacement. I remember bridgestone at the end saying wlhow terrible f1 is for a tire manufacturer. In the old tire war days if a team won it was because of a great drive , when they lost it was always because of the tires. Itz a no win situation for the tire manufacturer. How long will pirrelli spend millions to trash their own name.

Ifeel bad for them but they agreed to the fia terms. Here is to hoping for better compounds for next year.

+1

[z31maniac]

They have now said they are changing the construction of the tires.

I'm sure Marko and RBR are happy about that.

[TDE30]

They are following the fia directions.. I think pirrelli will pull out before the fia search for a replacement. I remember bridgestone at the end saying wlhow terrible f1 is for a tire manufacturer. In the old tire war days if a team won it was because of a great drive , when they lost it was always because of the tires. Itz a no win situation for the tire manufacturer. How long will pirrelli spend millions to trash their own name.

Ifeel bad for them but they agreed to the fia terms. Here is to hoping for better compounds for next year.

That's about what I figured; surely a manufacturer such as Pirelli (with decades of motorsport experience) wouldn't have this kind of difficulty making tires work for the average Formula One race. Like most things, I imagine the FIA had them engineering tires specifically with pit stop strategies in mind (and viewers love some pit box action.) I wonder if the FIA has mandated a single-tire manufacturer for each season, if so, I think it reinforces the notion that the FIA is doing this specifically to generate/retain viewers.

Bring back Michelin! At least Pirelli will have a competitor with a history of similar problems. :D

[mcr_driver]

That'd be interesting two different tire manufacturers for teams to choose from...

[naplesE30]

Michelin could be interesting.... tires that fall apart vs tires that explode,,, sounds entertaining.

I would love 2 tire manufacturers but it wont happen. It would run opposite of what the fia wants which is tires with high deg. If it were up to pirelli they could make tires that would perform and run consistently for the duration of a race. I for one would like to see the worlds most skilled/conditioned drivers pushing hard for an entire race instead of driving to a set lap time like we have now.

For once I agree 100% with red bulls dieter m

[mcr_driver]

Honda coming back to McLaren next season, interesting indeed but not surprising since it's v6's we're talking about and Honda has had a bit of practice with that over in Indy car already.

side note some nice photo's linked here

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport/mclaren-and-honda-every-f1-win-pictures

[tttoon]

I think it's in 2015? One more season on the (turbo) Merc

[mcr_driver]

You are correct my bad but still exciting to see Honda McLaren combo back I wonder if they're bring out the old livery for the paint scheme