So long e30 M3s...

[einhander]

a good size group believe that it should have come stock with the S38 myself included.

Seems like a good sized group has no idea why the car was built...?

Anyway, stupid was the right word.

To be fair though, my view for a modified version of the car is probably stupid to some people also.

[Mr_Tripp]

So what you're saying is that you want a stupid looking M3 with the wrong engine?

Cool, bro.

Well I don't know if stupid is the right word, its lowered on Borbet Type B's, maybe different than what you would like is better.
And for the S38, its period correct and a good size group believe that it should have come stock with the S38 myself included. Also I'm not just ditching the S14, I would just prefer it to be safely stored away at home.

I dont understand this one
U WOT M8=You won't mate?

[Farbin Kaiber]

I know. I was just razzin' ya.

[kendogg]

Well hell, I'd be happy to take an S42 for that matter.

I think thats what I meant. I can't keep track of them, haha.

[Farbin Kaiber]

EDIT: The only swaps I can be down with are REAL Motorsport engine swaps. S54, S38, etc. If somebody happens to find an S44....sweet!!

Well hell, I'd be happy to take an S42 for that matter.

[kendogg]

Um.. They are race cars. That's kind of the point. Someone who "guts and hacks" a m3 to track it is using the vehicle for the purpose it was created. It was not created to drive around to car shows and be pampered.

I agree with your statement. I think the true way to enjoy these cars is in the way they were sold to the public.
Putting cages in, and swapping v8 motors should be done to the non-M cars. By that point your so highly modified, that all you have is a non-M car with wider flares..etc.

You want to cage the non-M cars...instead of the cars that M Division..."M' standing for MOTORSPORT...built.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't compute to me. I think the true way to enjoy M3s is to drive them, maybe not exclusively, but at least partially on the track. I'd kill for an Alpine M3 that was caged & set up for the track

My take - they were purpose-built racecars, and should be driven as such. I agree, they are not done any services by people heavily modifying them for street use, especially yanking the S14. Thats part of what made the E30 M3 the E30 M3. If you want to do crazy things like motor swaps - buy a non-M car. I also have a hard time with the hard parkers complaining about them being raced - thats what they're for! I do think you for preserving the near-stock examples for future generations to see, but don't hate on people wanting to use them for their intended purpose. At the end of the day, they're still simply machines, intended for human consumption.


EDIT: The only swaps I can be down with are REAL Motorsport engine swaps. S54, S38, etc. If somebody happens to find an S44....sweet!!

[Mr. Tasty]

a lot of butthurt people in hurr

[jhaurimn]

So what you're saying is that you want a stupid looking M3 with the wrong engine?

Cool, bro.

[Ray Smoodiver]

The problem with this thread is that you're arguing pure perception and that is impossible.

So, if I ever own a E30 M3 it will look exactly like this.... with the S14 at home perfectly built on a stand and a N/A S38B38 under the hood. Thats my dream you all can judge it as you see fit. /THREAD :)

[Pac1373]

I think that e30 M3's that have been modified at this time to be a track toy is one thing, but say, to find an unmolested M3, and then modify it at this point would from a collectors or purists stand point be, honestly, stupid.

I went through the muscle car thing as a teen, and I watched my ability to "almost" afford a big block Cuda' evaporate in a couple of short years.
the thing is, enthusiast car appreciation (financial) is driven by nostalgia, and the M3 is almost certainly going to develop parallel the muscle car market imho. hence, original mint or rotisserie "factory" rest is where the money will be. m3 values will ALL increase, but the factory correct cars will bring the real cheddar... will an e30 m3 ever auction for a million plus, I would say no, but I once saw a 70' Hemi cuda' for sale for $11k in good driver status...

if you have huge balls and pockets to match, fuckit, weld in the cage and hot lap the shit out of it.

at the end of the day, it is your car, do with it what you want, right?

[BlackbirdM3]

So what you're saying is that you want a stupid looking M3 with the wrong engine?

Cool, bro.

Hahahaha, awesome.

Will

[einhander]

The problem with this thread is that you're arguing pure perception and that is impossible.

So, if I ever own a E30 M3 it will look exactly like this.... with the S14 at home perfectly built on a stand and a N/A S38B38 under the hood. Thats my dream you all can judge it as you see fit. /THREAD :)

So what you're saying is that you want a stupid looking M3 with the wrong engine?

Cool, bro.

[Mr_Tripp]

The problem with this thread is that you're arguing pure perception and that is impossible.

So, if I ever own a E30 M3 it will look exactly like this.... with the S14 at home perfectly built on a stand and a N/A S38B38 under the hood. Thats my dream you all can judge it as you see fit. /THREAD :)

[SkiFree]

probably, at least some of them.

the 2002 although an important car for BMW does not have the historical significance of the E30M3. but at it's core the S14 is really a M10 and putting one in a 2002 therefore would be correct, just not period correct. IMHO.

Couldn't disagree more as to which was more important to BMW, but obviously its pretty pointless to argue given its a matter of perspective rather than something quantifiable. As for 2002's with engines swapped in ..... How the 2002 came to exist in the first place was because a couple of BMW guys swapped in their 2000cs 2.0L into their 1600's. So I think swapping engines into 2002's follows the spirit of the car.

As for a period correct dual cam "period-correct" engine. There's always the Schnitzer dual cam head if you can handle a $25,000 race engine in your 2002. http://www.alpinabmw2002.com/search/...TZER%20Engines

[einhander]

The biggest issue I have is people who swap out tired/busted S14s for slightly less tired S5x engines. (That and, you know, BMW engineered the car for a reason and then the shadetree guys think they can do better...)

It's not saving money when you consider the time and money that goes into doing a swap correctly. If you rebuild the swapped engine and then have it put in, you're behind the curve financially and, when you factor in the possible decline in value of the car, you're even further back.

But that's okay, I suppose, because like you said, these guys then think they can fetch $30k.