So long e30 M3s...

[DzusFast]

Well I don't know if stupid is the right word, its lowered on Borbet Type B's, maybe different than what you would like is better.
And for the S38, its period correct and a good size group believe that it should have come stock with the S38 myself included. Also I'm not just ditching the S14, I would just prefer it to be safely stored away at home.

....Or MY HOME plz... '92 my racer was turbo'd and produced around 450hp, lightweight, plenty of room, and period correct. But, it is a free world, and even a gutted M3 can still (in the right hands) be brought back to original. Unfortunately, the original "Unrestored" versions in mint....yes.... fewer n fewer.

solution: Buy flares/trunklid/body-susp. kit.....done - LS3 if that's your choice, and post on utube :???:

Those M3's were the O.G. evos.

[DER E30]

I don't think people hate that car, but moreso who owned it and what it represents.

What does it represent? Lowness?? ///Ms that aren't full race??? (not many are I'd wager) Evil Stanceworks?? :Rofl:

[E30 Wagen]

No need to be an ass about it.

People have preferences and opinions. If someone buys a car, they can do whatever they want to it. Everyone is going to have an opinion. You can give your opinion but at the end of the day, it's their car.

I am fully aware of the fact that my opinions cannot involve myself in the personal affairs of others, even via the internet.

Yeah, I just get more and more pissed off with pipe dreamers doing dumb shit to a very special, rare, and expensive car just because it makes them happy. Well I don't give two shits what makes them happy; I care about keeping M3s intact. If my opinion somehow infringes on your ability to do what you want, then that's like some X-Files shit right there. Like mind control or something.

[Roysneon]

I am fully aware of the fact that my opinions cannot involve myself in the personal affairs of others, even via the internet.

Yeah, I just get more and more pissed off with pipe dreamers doing dumb shit to a very special, rare, and expensive car just because it makes them happy. Well I don't give two shits what makes them happy; I care about keeping M3s intact. If my opinion somehow infringes on your ability to do what you want, then that's like some X-Files shit right there. Like mind control or something.

And nobody gives a fuck what makes you happy, I know I'm tired of hearing you whine, I can't be the only one.

[DER E30]

I am fully aware of the fact that my opinions cannot involve myself in the personal affairs of others, even via the internet.

Yeah, I just get more and more pissed off with pipe dreamers doing dumb shit to a very special, rare, and expensive car just because it makes them happy. Well I don't give two shits what makes them happy; I care about keeping M3s intact. If my opinion somehow infringes on your ability to do what you want, then that's like some X-Files shit right there. Like mind control or something.

I Echo this, I'm not going to do extraordinarily dumb things to my 318is because I think its a clean car. Why someone would do that do an M is beyond me... But I hate others telling me what I can and can't do, so I won't hate...

I'd do stupid racecar things to a car that is already totaled however... All it takes these days is light quarter panel damage for a car to be totaled, I got parts off a totaled 325i that had a 2' by 1' dent in the quarter and a slightly pushed in bumper. Do dumb things to cars like that! It had lots of life left to go to the crusher!

[e30m3s54turbo]

:popcorn::drink:

[YAN-3]

ok please forgive my noobness, but is a e30 M3s the one with flared fenders and a 4 banger?

[DER E30]

:popcorn::drink:

I know right?
:popcorn::giggle::blowup::ohsnap:

[E30 Wagen]

And nobody gives a fuck what makes you happy, I know I'm tired of hearing you whine, I can't be the only one.

I know. This is real life after all. I guess we aren't going to be friends. I'm okay with that.

[Roysneon]

I know. This is real life after all. I guess we aren't going to be friends. I'm okay with that.

But you're so cute when you're fired up. Skype me?

[norMcal]

The S38 is a big, heavy engine. It's very, very expensive. It does not fit well in e30 engine bays. You're fucking delusional if you think that, if you're ever able to afford an M3 (which you won't), you're just going to swap in a built S38.

You'd get as much if not more enjoyment from keeping the existing S14 (if some dipshit didn't already swap it with a fucking S52) and going the 2.5L route. Balance is maintained, and you get a screaming, high-output 4 banger.

And to all you dreamers who go on about stripping it and turning it into a race car "because that's what it was built for," is your plan to actually race competitively? How? Are you going to quit your job, get sponsors and just live the life as pro M3 driver? Get real. Does a casual track day every month or so require a complete strip down and cage? You're a fucking idiot if you do.

I have a E30 M3 with an S52, because I wanted it that way. To each his own. It's a never ending argument wiht the dye hard S14 guys. I said it many times before. I love the S14 for what it is, but it isn't reliable and it is very costly to maintain. Putting in a S52 gives you more power (unless you have really deep pockets to tune the shit out of the S14), much better reliablitly and costs about half. So it isn't a real head scratch-er why so many have gone that route. Yes, the S38 would not be my first choice due to it's weight, complexity and fit.

As far as balance goes (the never ending argument for the S14) there are plenty of ways to gain it back. If I'm not mistaken the S52 adds about 80 lbs. With the AC delete (-40 lbs), ABS delete (-12lbs), Carbon hood (-35 lbs) and some other strategic lightening and no oil cooler I think balance is just fine. FWIW, last time at the track I let my friend, who is a very experience driver, take my car out for a session. He loved it and raved about the balance. Guess what car he drive? A Boxster! Aren't those the wholy grail of balanced cars?

Last but not least. The e30 was build to have 6 cylinders under the hood. BMW is known for their inline 6 cylinders. A lot more so than for a couple of 4 bangers they succeeded with. AND the S14 was derived from the M1 engine, which guess what? was a inline 6. The ONLY reason the S14 was ever made, was because the rules prevented them from putting in a 6.

Again, I'm not against having a S14, if you have the money and patience to keep rebuilding it and maintaining it more power to you (no pun) but for lots of guys it makes more sense to have a S50/52 and if the S54 was an easier swap it would be a slam dunk!

[kendogg]

Last but not least. The e30 was build to have 6 cylinders under the hood. BMW is known for their inline 6 cylinders. A lot more so than for a couple of 4 bangers they succeeded with. AND the S14 was derived from the M1 engine, which guess what? was a inline 6. The ONLY reason the S14 was ever made, was because the rules prevented them from putting in a 6.

Again, I'm not against having a S14, if you have the money and patience to keep rebuilding it and maintaining it more power to you (no pun) but for lots of guys it makes more sense to have a S50/52 and if the S54 was an easier swap it would be a slam dunk!

Thats where I'm gonna stop you, but thats completely and utterly false. The E30 was designed for a 4 cylinder, with room for a 6. If it was designed for a 6, they'd be near 50/50 witha 6, and they aren't. Like the E36, they're nose heavy.

The S14 was NOT 'derived' from the S38. They share design features, but thats about it. The S14 was 'derived' from the M10. From the M12 in the '70's in F1 making 1500 hp in peak turbo race trim. The S38 was 'derived' from the M30, which was originally designed during the same period as the M10 originally was, so the 2 platforms share many design features.

And I hate that you put a run of the mill bored/stroked M52 into your E30 M3. SACRILEDGE!!!

[norMcal]

Thats where I'm gonna stop you, but thats completely and utterly false. The E30 was designed for a 4 cylinder, with room for a 6. If it was designed for a 6, they'd be near 50/50 witha 6, and they aren't. Like the E36, they're nose heavy.

And I hate that you put a run of the mill bored/stroked M52 into your E30 M3. SACRILEDGE!!!

I didn't, I bought it that way, but like I said, I was looking for a swap car, because for my purposes it makes complete sense.

Did, or did BMW not sell the e30 with a 6 cylinder? I'm sorry but the answer is they did and I think they designed it that way. Saying that they designed it for a four with room for a six is something a politician would say. Was the new 3 series designed as a 328, with room to make it a 335?

[kendogg]

I didn't, I bought it that way, but like I said, I was looking for a swap car, because for my purposes it makes complete sense.

Did, or did BMW not sell the e30 with a 6 cylinder? I'm sorry but the answer is they did and I think they designed it that way. Saying that they designed it for a four with room for a six is like something a politician would say. Was the new 3 series designed as a 328, with room to make it a 335?

Don't know, but the E90 wasn't designed from the ground-up intending to be a racecar like the E30 was. And if you wanted to swap, I think welding on the flares to a non-M car usually end sup being a cheaper way to ruin an E30.

[2761377]

a lot of butthurt people in hurr

yeah, bound to happen. inevitable result- purists v pet projects