So long e30 M3s...

[Mr. Tasty]

a lot of butthurt people in hurr

[kendogg]

Um.. They are race cars. That's kind of the point. Someone who "guts and hacks" a m3 to track it is using the vehicle for the purpose it was created. It was not created to drive around to car shows and be pampered.

I agree with your statement. I think the true way to enjoy these cars is in the way they were sold to the public.
Putting cages in, and swapping v8 motors should be done to the non-M cars. By that point your so highly modified, that all you have is a non-M car with wider flares..etc.

You want to cage the non-M cars...instead of the cars that M Division..."M' standing for MOTORSPORT...built.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't compute to me. I think the true way to enjoy M3s is to drive them, maybe not exclusively, but at least partially on the track. I'd kill for an Alpine M3 that was caged & set up for the track

My take - they were purpose-built racecars, and should be driven as such. I agree, they are not done any services by people heavily modifying them for street use, especially yanking the S14. Thats part of what made the E30 M3 the E30 M3. If you want to do crazy things like motor swaps - buy a non-M car. I also have a hard time with the hard parkers complaining about them being raced - thats what they're for! I do think you for preserving the near-stock examples for future generations to see, but don't hate on people wanting to use them for their intended purpose. At the end of the day, they're still simply machines, intended for human consumption.


EDIT: The only swaps I can be down with are REAL Motorsport engine swaps. S54, S38, etc. If somebody happens to find an S44....sweet!!

[Farbin Kaiber]

EDIT: The only swaps I can be down with are REAL Motorsport engine swaps. S54, S38, etc. If somebody happens to find an S44....sweet!!

Well hell, I'd be happy to take an S42 for that matter.

[kendogg]

Well hell, I'd be happy to take an S42 for that matter.

I think thats what I meant. I can't keep track of them, haha.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I know. I was just razzin' ya.

[Mr_Tripp]

So what you're saying is that you want a stupid looking M3 with the wrong engine?

Cool, bro.

Well I don't know if stupid is the right word, its lowered on Borbet Type B's, maybe different than what you would like is better.
And for the S38, its period correct and a good size group believe that it should have come stock with the S38 myself included. Also I'm not just ditching the S14, I would just prefer it to be safely stored away at home.

I dont understand this one
U WOT M8=You won't mate?

[einhander]

a good size group believe that it should have come stock with the S38 myself included.

Seems like a good sized group has no idea why the car was built...?

Anyway, stupid was the right word.

To be fair though, my view for a modified version of the car is probably stupid to some people also.

[Mr_Tripp]

Seems like a good sized group has no idea why the car was built...?

Yes, I do understand the purpose and why they chose the S14, no argument there. Where I think my "skewed" perception comes from is an old advertisement poster my dad showed me a long time ago it read something like "The BMW M3. Anything other sports sedans can do, this one does outrageously." and how much more outrageous can you get at the time (1988 ) than a 340hp, 1 ton and some change, S38 purebred race car. Sounds pretty freakin sweet to me, but then again its probably my skewed perception. ;)

[DER E30]

The problem with this thread is that you're arguing pure perception and that is impossible.

So, if I ever own a E30 M3 it will look exactly like this.... with the S14 at home perfectly built on a stand and a N/A S38B38 under the hood. Thats my dream you all can judge it as you see fit. /THREAD :)

BOOM!!! Me too! I love this car! I think I would find a "not so perfect" one to do this too, but that car was beautiful, especially on its SSR Formula Mesh...

How can you hate this!?!?!???



I'd go S54 in mine, if the s14 was DOA or MIA...

Much Butthurt in this thread...

Do what you want, if you need a perfect one, then find one. If you need a racer, those are out there as well!

[E30 Wagen]

The S38 is a big, heavy engine. It's very, very expensive. It does not fit well in e30 engine bays. You're fucking delusional if you think that, if you're ever able to afford an M3 (which you won't), you're just going to swap in a built S38.

You'd get as much if not more enjoyment from keeping the existing S14 (if some dipshit didn't already swap it with a fucking S52) and going the 2.5L route. Balance is maintained, and you get a screaming, high-output 4 banger.

And to all you dreamers who go on about stripping it and turning it into a race car "because that's what it was built for," is your plan to actually race competitively? How? Are you going to quit your job, get sponsors and just live the life as pro M3 driver? Get real. Does a casual track day every month or so require a complete strip down and cage? You're a fucking idiot if you do.

[rturbo 930]

You're fucking delusional if you think that, if you're ever able to afford an M3 (which you won't)

He'll never be able to afford a 20k car? Really dude?

[DER E30]

He'll never be able to afford a 20k car? Really dude?

[jhaurimn]

You're fucking delusional if you think that, if you're ever able to afford an M3 (which you won't), you're just going to swap in a built S38.

And to all you dreamers who go on about stripping it and turning it into a race car "because that's what it was built for," is your plan to actually race competitively? How? Are you going to quit your job, get sponsors and just live the life as pro M3 driver? Get real. Does a casual track day every month or so require a complete strip down and cage? You're a fucking idiot if you do.

No need to be an ass about it.

People have preferences and opinions. If someone buys a car, they can do whatever they want to it. Everyone is going to have an opinion. You can give your opinion but at the end of the day, it's their car.

[reelizmpro]

I don't think people hate that car, but moreso who owned it and what it represents.

[Roysneon]

The S38 is a big, heavy engine. It's very, very expensive. It does not fit well in e30 engine bays. You're fucking delusional if you think that, if you're ever able to afford an M3 (which you won't), you're just going to swap in a built S38.

You'd get as much if not more enjoyment from keeping the existing S14 (if some dipshit didn't already swap it with a fucking S52) and going the 2.5L route. Balance is maintained, and you get a screaming, high-output 4 banger.

And to all you dreamers who go on about stripping it and turning it into a race car "because that's what it was built for," is your plan to actually race competitively? How? Are you going to quit your job, get sponsors and just live the life as pro M3 driver? Get real. Does a casual track day every month or so require a complete strip down and cage? You're a fucking idiot if you do.

Holy fuck you're mad.