New supra

[jeenyus]

But it's so current, how could it possibly be ugly? I mean, the focus groups composed of blind 10 year olds all loved it!

Does this indicate I'm aging? Or is it really that bad?

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[MrBurgundy]

The new Supra, IMO, is a massive design failure.

But, I'm not surprised, because current Japanese auto makers don't really make anything that looks nice..

I don't get why toyota/lexus likes to use 15 different front grills on one car.

[jeenyus]

The new Supra, IMO, is a massive design failure.

But, I'm not surprised, because current Japanese auto makers don't really make anything that looks nice..

I don't get why toyota/lexus likes to use 15 different front grills on one car.

Lol you're so right. I would disagree on NO current Japanese cars looking good. The new NSX has one of the best side profiles I've ever seen. That's just my opinion though.

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[MrBurgundy]

I would get a mustang gt PP2 over this any day for the price.

[lukeADE335i]

Oh you mean this grille?

lol... no, I'd avoid that one - after the Z4 first edition, the lower spec cars should come with the normal vertical bars in the grille if the car shows are anything to go by - they look a lot better.

Still - I'd take the Mustang over the Supra too as Jeenyus has pointed out, with either the 5.0 or the ecoboost (I test drove both, and have to admit that as a daily, coming from 20 years of driving european cars, the ecoboost had plenty of grunt for a daily drive and the lack of V8 noise didn't bother me like it has the purists).

[kickinindian]

idc because i will probably not be able to own one for the next 20yrs and by then gas will probably illegal, i feel the toyobaru twins is where i'm headed in the next couple years since they should be in a pretty decent price range and obviously have a modding culture already.

on the Zupra i think it has the old supra proportions dolled up in a europeen power suit because VeemdoubleU of the 21st century builds spaceships not cars.

[Melon]

No manual, no care.

[varg]

You can always buy a "Supra" emblem and slap it on a LC500.

Same amount of ugly, 1,000lb more weight. No thanks on either count. Toyota/Lexus doesn't currently make a single good looking car, the current Lexus design scheme seems to be "make it huge and really aggressive looking!" Seeing an LC500 in person it's staggering how heavy the car is, sure it's big but it isn't big enough that it screams "4,400lbs." Somehow they've managed to make a coupe that is visibly smaller and slower than the notoriously porky Dodge Challenger weigh more!

[jeenyus]

Same amount of ugly, 1,000lb more weight. No thanks on either count. Toyota/Lexus doesn't currently make a single good looking car, the current Lexus design scheme seems to be "make it huge and really aggressive looking!" Seeing an LC500 in person it's staggering how heavy the car is, sure it's big but it isn't big enough that it screams "4,400lbs." Somehow they've managed to make a coupe that is visibly smaller and slower than the notoriously porky Dodge Challenger weigh more!

Every American car could take a diet of at least 500 pounds in body panels alone. I guess it's NBD though because that's nothing new.

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[ccsdo5]

If they didn't call this car a supra, there would be no big deal about it. Honestly I would rather buy a newer Tacoma than the supra; hell I would even buy the newer corolla hatchback at least you can get that in manual.

[Powling]

No manual, no care.

Soon this will be "no petrol engine, no care"

[lambo]

I like the new Supra...

Although no manual is a deal breaker.

[majdomo]

roundel says both are subbed out to a manufacturer in Austria (apparently the same one that did the original z3)...so neither toyota or bmw have to take on the risk of building out a production line for such a low volume model. classic build vs buy but toyota took it like 10 steps too far....


supra in name only, imo. ugly as fuck at that. reminds me of the saabaru 9-2x 10+ years back.

[E30 Wagen]

Why does everyone fawn over a 2JZ? it's not like modern BMW turbo engines can't be tuned for significantly more power. hell, turbo S38s and S54s were making 1200hp decades ago (the S38 is a beast!). The 2JZ is a heavy boat anchor, no way they're going to stick that in a modern car. Modern turbo engines also have way broader, more useable power curves than a single turbo 2JZ that makes 900hp for about 300rpm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JicHpvtqKWk

[Melon]

Soon this will be "no petrol engine, no care"

Haha, I know I'm an old that likes rowing my own gears.
That's why I'll probably always have something with a manual trans in my garage.

I'm all for electric vehicles, because they're just cool, and fast as hell, with no need for a transmission.