The Official 2008 F1 Series Thread

[madjurgen]

Piquet is not very good, i dont see him being around next year, if not the end of this season.

I agree with you on him being not very good at this point but he's been Flavio's bitch for a long time before F1 as I understand it, so I dont see him going anywhere.

It pleases me to see that you guys here as well as the Speed commentators are keeping a level head about BMW. While they may now have comparable pace for a quick qualifying lap, their race pace is still far off of the top 2.

I am very anxious to hear Hamilton's excuse he gives to the media.

[Jparkr]

I think Nakajima has potential, but if you look at his history...
He has fucked up in some way every race he has had since his debut late last season.
This race wasn't near as bad though, he just got in some peoples way a few times. Maybe his team doesn't tell him he needs to let people by in time though, idk.

Fuck David Couthard for taking out Jenson. However I do this that was partially Button's fault as well, as Couthard wasn't going to make that corner.

Screw Hamilton and Go BMW

[Hick]

Uh, shoes on the other foot. That was Buttons fault. He drove in WAY too deep and lost the back end under braking due to being on the dirty line.

In this case i would say that Button should of waited for another corner or forced a mistake. DC was not at fault, and had DC given way, whats not to say that Buttons car would of continued past the apex and still hit DC in the side pod?

[madjurgen]

I gotta disagree with you here Joe. Yes, it was obviously Button's fault for outbraking himself but there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that DC needed to close the door on someone already out of control. Thats just plain idiotic. And dont tell me someone who's been in F1 for years and years like DC doesnt have the ability to look in his mirrors on a slow 15mph hairpin. If DC would have taken a wide line, I dont think Button wouldve hit him and he still wouldve gotten a better exit.

And let's say DC takes a wide line and Button does hit him in the sidepod. Now its clearly 110% Buttons fault and both DC and Button are out. Instead DC closes the door, looks like an ass, makes the wreck partially his fault and both of them are out. Which one seems like the better situation from DC's pov?

[Jparkr]

DC's fault completely according to button

http://www.f1way.com/news/2008/april/6/button-upset-by-coulthard-incident

from what i saw it looked like button was going to make the corner ok because of the speed he scrubbed off. i cant find a video though

[z31maniac]

I gotta disagree with you here Joe. Yes, it was obviously Button's fault for outbraking himself but there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that DC needed to close the door on someone already out of control. Thats just plain idiotic. And dont tell me someone who's been in F1 for years and years like DC doesnt have the ability to look in his mirrors on a slow 15mph hairpin. If DC would have taken a wide line, I dont think Button wouldve hit him and he still wouldve gotten a better exit.

And let's say DC takes a wide line and Button does hit him in the sidepod. Now its clearly 110% Buttons fault and both DC and Button are out. Instead DC closes the door, looks like an ass, makes the wreck partially his fault and both of them are out. Which one seems like the better situation from DC's pov?

Guess you didn't watch practice where the commentators pointed out that the Red Bull cars basically have no visibility due to Adrian Newey's crappy mirror design.

Not mention being under 4G's of force under braking.

It's both of their faults.

[Hick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgWsVmgWK_E

@1:30

Button was hard on brakes, ducked behind DC, back end broke loose so he cut to the inside [to avoid the back of DC?] and then ran in DC. Buttons fault 100%

[Jparkr]

found one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PO1qeWMfTM

Sorry but i disagree 100% you can see in this video that button is diving under and does not lock up until DC sees him and blocks. this video is pretty good proof for the link i had above with buttons after thoughts.

I still say its a little bit both of their fault but the finger is definitely more on DC this time, as well.

The mirror remark above could be true, i thought the david hobbs was making fun of the red bull design but maybe DC seriously doesn't see anyone until its too late, then he instinctively goes to block.

[Hick]

Could be the mirrors; another try from Button where DC gives room and.. guess what, Button blows the corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xx3AzfWRhU

[madjurgen]

Guess you didn't watch practice where the commentators pointed out that the Red Bull cars basically have no visibility due to Adrian Newey's crappy mirror design.

Not mention being under 4G's of force under braking.

It's both of their faults.

Guess you werent listening during practice where they stated Newey had redesigned the mirrors.

And I agree it's both their faults. That's my point, that the blame should not lie solely with Button.


And Joe, DC was on the racing line in that last video you posted. Thats not my definition of 'giving him room'. Should we give DC praise for not closing the door and taking them both out like he did later?

[Hick]

And Joe, DC was on the racing line in that last video you posted. Thats not my definition of 'giving him room'. Should we give DC praise for not closing the door and taking them both out like he did later?

Gives room as in after Button blows his braking point and overshoots the turn, not before the corner.

If DC gave him room each time then Button would of passed. The job of the race car driver is to finish as high in the points/position as possible. He is allowed, by all means, to block [within regulations] and attempt to stay ahead of another driver.

When Button and DC did eventually crash, DC was driving more defensively than he had before; read: off racing line, thats his job. Im sure he knew Button was there, however i dont think he knew Button was as close as he was [due to being out of control] and thats what you get.

Its a racing incident, but i blame Button. You dont, cool. I think youre wrong, you think im wrong, lets leave it at that.

[E-Thirty]

What does everyone else think about all this pessimistic crap about BMW? Mclaren boss saying they aren't anything to worry about. Massa said the same thing. Even Kubica thinks they aren't on the pace yet.

[Hallen]

I think they are all correct. BMW, which is my team btw, is definitely closing the gap and doing extremely well for in essence a 3rd year team. But, they are not up to Ferrari and McLaren speed yet.
I hope they keep improving and next year we have a massive 3 way battle for all the laurels.
I do think that BMW has a good chance of picking up a win this year. But it will be due to one of those unusual races like when Button won.

[Hick]

Looks like Renault found something. We will see if the cars are super light on fuel, but regardless, Alonso 2nd? Theyve got something with this new aero package.

[Jon325i]

Looks like Renault found something.

Yep.....