Air Induction Systems, Voodoo, and simple test

[BMWLA]

there is a thread in here somewhere where he gave specs on chasis stuff and he has answred all of my direct questions via pm but i think this thread has nothing to do any of that or am i missing something?

[Stephen]

A vender bashing everyone and questioning his own sanity in the process..It just seems like a loose, loose situation.

I havent seen much bashing...

Have you seen r3v?

Compared to most this is pretty tame IMO

Ultimately though, i think he is worried about being ripped off. Its been mentioned in other threads as well as being a pattern in the e30 aftermarket community, which is why you don't see Mark D coming out with his new chip, or letting all his secrets known on a easily accessible website

[Schniddy]

there is a thread in here somewhere where he gave specs on chasis stuff and he has answred all of my direct questions via pm but i think this thread has nothing to do any of that or am i missing something?

Must of missed that one, I’ll take a look

And I think it does, he’s still giving super vague answers for him being a vender (such as that picture just posted above).

Yes r3v is full of bashing, but we are talking customers vs vender here. Different story I think. The thing about r3v is, as a whole, it knows when to be respectable and when not to be. People may be quick to jump the gun on things, but they also apologize when need be.

[nando]

i hate to point out the obvious but you fuckers are driving 20 year old single cam 6's. change your stock air filter once a year and call it a fucking day.

+111 million

any gains from a super fancy intake/elbow are pretty much out the window because there is a friggin SQUARE DOOR in the middle of the intake tract.

I should run a line from my second MAP sensor to the airbox and compare pressures to see if the stock intake is really a significant bottleneck.

[Stephen]

Must of missed that one, I’ll take a look

And I think it does, he’s still giving super vague answers for him being a vender (such as that picture just posted above).

Yes r3v is full of bashing, but we are talking customers vs vender here. Different story I think. The thing about r3v is, as a whole, it knows when to be respectable and when not to be. People may be quick to jump the gun on things, but they also apologize when need be.

Very true.. I'd contact him directly, give him a call, or that sorta thing if you have specifics you want answered.. I can't speak for him exactly, but he'd porbably be more willing to talk to you that way. He is a nice guy, but i think alot of vendors have gotten burned by ripoffs before:(

[BMWLA]

isnt that a maf in the pic?

[der affe]

i understand what he is saying for the most part. i am at a slight disadvantage though because i am not too familiar with the stock induction on a 325i because this is my first BMW and it came with the ITB's and MAF/cone air filter set up. i have had to teach my self about that because most people don't have that on their cars.

i have been involved with tuning and high performance car in one way or another since high school.

i was taught about P & P'ing cyl. heads, manifolds, and induction by some of the best in the VW and other industries. i really miss sitting around and brainstorming, testing ideas, or just tossing around theories and R & D ideas with them. 2 are dead now, Gene Berg, and Dean Lowery. most i have lost contact with over the years. Daniel actually reminds me of Gene Berg a little.

i think what he is trying to do is get you to think about what will make your car handle or perform better, not just buy into what ever is being sold. he has seems to have a bunch of ideas and info to share, but not everything is a marketable product that money can be made from, which can be frustrating if you are trying to make money at it. sometimes you can make an excellent product, but the market just can't support it because of price

[BMWLA]

one solid thing i can say for sure outside of his legend status with the techs here is that his 318is is really dam fast for a 318is

[z31maniac]

+111 million

any gains from a super fancy intake/elbow are pretty much out the window because there is a friggin SQUARE DOOR in the middle of the intake tract.

I should run a line from my second MAP sensor to the airbox and compare pressures to see if the stock intake is really a significant bottleneck.

Do it. I trust your datalogging and it would be interesting to see the results.

[BMWLA]

There are some slight modifications that can be made in the stock air box that will improve overall flow at the expense of slight noise resonance… But over all the stock E30 / M20 air cleaner with a clean panel filter element can efficiently flow nearly twice what a stock M20 can use.

i think he was saying it isnt

[DCColegrove]

I suppose I should have explained this while I was here at lunch...

This Grid:



Placed in this area of the induction at a 45 degree at the leading side of the center of the 90 degree turn forces the air to make the turn without tumbling.

OH and which modification were you talking about, the slight poerformance gain at cost of noise reduction? do tell

Swiss cheese airbox?

Hell no on the holes in the air box...

Inside the air cleaner there is (or should be...we are talking 9/87+) an Air horn...

It is only about 20mm away from the inside of the air cleaner wall....

Shorten this by about 30mm (take it off the back not the end...requires splicing the mounting attachment)

I did. I think you should go threw with your plans. also I noticed when I did the M30 AFM it made my car run very lean untill I did the injectors to match, doesn't that mean it flows better than the stock AFM? but I do see how a bigger door could mean a bigger restriction.

The car ran lean because there wasn't enough volume / velocity to swing the "door" as it would in it's intended application's arc.

What mods on these cars?

318is: 2.0l, lightened bottom end internals, Manifold and Head Porting (also combustion chamber mods), Software (hp was higher with cams I have since swapped out back to factory).

FrankenKar (90 325i): Stock Displacement, Modded Pistons, Cam, OS Valves, Manifold and Head Work, Reduced rotating mass, Software...and some really cheap ass (hell free) Alpina Knock off headers from China.

Anything else?

[Ben Carufel]

Yeah, Ground Control tried this a few years back with what they called the "Green Gizmo".

It was a major flop, IIRC.

There is one in my S50 E30, but only because Bob is a silly boy. ;)

Good luck.

[Ben Carufel]

Here's the link:

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=502/CA=9

[DCColegrove]

Yeah, Ground Control tried this a few years back with what they called the "Green Gizmo".

It was a major flop, IIRC.

There is one in my S50 E30, but only because Bob is a silly boy. ;)

Good luck.

I'm not selling this stuff... not really my specialty anymore.

This whole thread was a info only thing... and a little rant.

EDIT: this grid was out of my long gone M3...

[blunttech]

Yeah, Ground Control tried this a few years back with what they called the "Green Gizmo".

It was a major flop, IIRC.

There is one in my S50 E30, but only because Bob is a silly boy. ;)

Good luck.

i remember that green gizmo. super duper told me he had an ace up his sleeve as our cars were prepped identically.
but since he was painfully aware i was the superior driver he felt the need to go out and try to beat me mechanically. well needless to say it didnt work. but later we pulled it out and made a lovely ceasar salad with his salad shooter intake gizmo