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[s14brent]

Something that could mess with your measurement is if the wheels are turned one way or the other. Maybe it's just me, but in the "after" picture of the wheel with SLR plates, it looks like the wheel is turned to the left a bit. It might make it look like the SLR plates helped more than they did?

I agree, the wheel does look slightly turned in, but here's one from last night that's pretty straight.






still quite a bit of improvement over the fortune auto standard camber plate

[Northern]

It really is a huge difference, and I was actually going to pm you. Do you think your GC's have that much affect? I was talking to Paul @ slrspeed via email, and what got me curious about going back to the fortune auto plates was what he wrote " Adjusting caster at the camber plate does not affect wheel position in the wheel well to any significant extent since the ball-joint position doesn't change, only the inclination of the strut." but almost an inch of adjustment is pretty darn significant in my opinion. I did not expect THAT much of a difference.

I agree with what he said because it's going to pivot about the lower control arm as you move the camber plate. Since the hub is only ~6" from the balljoint on the control arm and at least 4x that distance to the camber plate, you should only get (super roughly) 1/4 of your adjustment at the wheel.

Something that could mess with your measurement is if the wheels are turned one way or the other. Maybe it's just me, but in the "after" picture of the wheel with SLR plates, it looks like the wheel is turned to the left a bit. It might make it look like the SLR plates helped more than they did?

[s14brent]

well...the gc camber caster plates will just have to wait. threw the slr plates back on...and well... i'm cheap and did the old e36 camber mod..and i'm actually happy.

Grabbed some grade 8 12x1.75x 25mm bolts and 12x m12 washers. the 25mm bolts had the original amount of threads after the 3 washers. blue loctite'd jic.



The three washers actually gave me more camber than desired which is actually perfect because I could adjust the SLR plates a bit more forward (which i think gives me more caster due to its position). I took a picture of the slr plates finally (yes i know the nuts are loose here), couldn't believe i didnt have any other pictures of these plates installed. Basically when you give it more positive camber it moves the strut towards the front of the car increasing the caster minimally. however, adjusting these plates are a bitch, and i end up dropping the coil down to make adjustments. I'll take the car to an alignment rack to make sure everything is in spec (hopefully soon).



so this is how it currently sits...and i'm actually okay with this.



I'm going to sign up for either august auto-x or vegasdrift (both night events thankfully due to the desert heat), but i think I want to take it to the auto-x more to try to dial it in a bit - try to eliminate any understeer issues first before taking it out to a faster track.

[ForcedFirebird]

Akg's all the way closed down are pretty equivalent to treehouse. I just sold my pair because they did not help any with this issue and i'd rather have adjustable option. does that touring have e46 LCA's also?

Not sure if I still have the correspondences saved, that was many years ago now - but I do know he used the steel control arms, e46 give too much camber (and actually wasn't a "thing" back then to use e46 CA's). I saw your donor car was a '97, so the knuckles are the correct offset - the 95 m3 and non-m make matters even worse. There are also 2 different control arms. 95 m3 and all non-m3 got shorter control arms which would make you problem worse.



Vorshlag went though this in their GRM build since they used 5 lug...

https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showpost.php?p=1899183&postcount=15

[s14brent]

That looks like a lot of change(>1"?) for just the camber plate. I don't understand how it made such a difference when it's so far from the wheel/control arm pickup points

It really is a huge difference, and I was actually going to pm you. Do you think your GC's have that much affect? I was talking to Paul @ slrspeed via email, and what got me curious about going back to the fortune auto plates was what he wrote " Adjusting caster at the camber plate does not affect wheel position in the wheel well to any significant extent since the ball-joint position doesn't change, only the inclination of the strut." but almost an inch of adjustment is pretty darn significant in my opinion. I did not expect THAT much of a difference.

I built the front struts for this touring in Chile, with regular camber/caster plates and the treehouse style lollipops, the wheel is pretty centered in the wheel well...

Not sure how much offset the AKG allows, but there's a local here using the same with similar results (96+ knuckles, GC camber plates, treehouse style lollipops).

Akg's all the way closed down are pretty equivalent to treehouse. I just sold my pair because they did not help any with this issue and i'd rather have adjustable option. does that touring have e46 LCA's also?

[ForcedFirebird]

He already has AKG adjustable CABs. I'm not sure how adjustable they are, but likely equivalent.

I built the front struts for this touring in Chile, with regular camber/caster plates and the treehouse style lollipops, the wheel is pretty centered in the wheel well...

https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showpost.php?p=3230101&postcount=79

Not sure how much offset the AKG allows, but there's a local here using the same with similar results (96+ knuckles, GC camber plates, treehouse style lollipops).

[Northern]

He already has AKG adjustable CABs. I'm not sure how adjustable they are, but likely equivalent.

[ForcedFirebird]

The Treehouse style control arm brackets helps a lot. They bring the rear of the control arm further outboard than any of the other offerings (causing more caster correction than the strut tops will allow). Might be worth looking into.

[Northern]

That looks like a lot of change(>1"?) for just the camber plate. I don't understand how it made such a difference when it's so far from the wheel/control arm pickup points

[s14brent]

Now that looks like a fun car.
Great work

Thanks! it's getting there!

Sucks about the mishimito products, I stopped buying from them years ago after 3 radiators they sent me cracked. Lifetime warranty is great and all, but their products seem to require it.

yeah, i was really disappointed with the intake, they also made me pay $40 for shipping which is just outrageous, and it took 2.5-3 weeks to arrive. unacceptable in my opinion. I've had mishimoto radiators in my e36 m3 also, and had no real issues with it for at least 20k miles.



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So this has been bugging me for a while, and I got curious enough today about the fortune auto vs slrspeed camber/caster plates and how much they actually helped.






Hopefully this is self explanatory. The only thing wrong with the slrspeed camber/caster plates is that if you don't redrill your tower to e36/e46 pattern, your camber adjustment range will be off. - I sent a few questions over to GC, and found out, "Both versions offer 47mm of negative camber adjustment and 14mm of positive caster adjustment."






So I guess as of now I plan on ordering the GC camber/caster plates maybe next month finally. Meanwhile I barely have enough clearance lock to lock (but it clears), and the wheels fit better with some negative camber in place. (the poke was pretty bad).







I'm so close to having this setup the way I want it, but for those who didn't read in the past, for wider track/drifting don't do e46 LCA's - not entirely worth it when paired with e36 m3 spindle, the extended e36m3 weld-on upgrade is probably the best option, but would need 50mm overfenders/flares up front. I will keep this setup for now just because everything is basically new.

[pandaboo911]

Sucks about the mishimito products, I stopped buying from them years ago after 3 radiators they sent me cracked. Lifetime warranty is great and all, but their products seem to require it.

[MrAdam]

Now that looks like a fun car.

Great work

[s14brent]

Been a while since I did anything to this car, it was 109 the other day here in vegas. I took the car out to hard park with a handful of other e30s last week, had a good time. someone posted up these pics. Last thing i did was clean my air vents and added a rubber o-ring onto the mounts to keep the vents from always falling down lol.










had a fun spirited freeway drive after with a v8 swapped coupe.



Skip to today, i found another e30 guy selling e38 style 5's (16x8 +23) with basically brand new 205/45 BFG G-force Comp2's. I've been meaning to find a 16" wheel to clear e36 m3 front calipers. Now i have plenty of room lock to lock.








Pretty damn happy now with this thing. driving it has been a blast even in the heat!

[s14brent]

Been a minute since I've paid this car any attention. I've had it up for sale off and on again, only a few real bites, but I've been so busy I couldn't really be distracted with the tire kickers that slipped through.

Anyways, I had a couple friends trying to make the auto-x this weekend so I thought I'd try to go with. Kind of forgot where I left off on this, so I've actually been going back from page 1 and reloading the images (e30 related) so that this build thread wasn't for nothing.

Drove the car around, felt a bit "off".....turns out I had a major tear starting in my mishimoto 3.5" intake boot. I sent a claim to Mishimoto, testing out their "lifetime warranty". As I really don't want to dish out another $113 or whatever it costs now.





I actually found another one (used) locally believe it or not, so i went to swoop it up (3 days after I emailed mishimoto - still waiting to hear back from them on day 6 now).



I tried to get a front end alignment before the weekend but failed miserably. The front end still needs a little adjustment up front, but I want to really order those GC camber/caster plates sooner than later so I don't have to pay for this twice. I also want to replace the front subframe as both tie rods are significantly different (in adjustment). I have a feeling this subframe may have been tweaked since I bought the car, or it may have warped when reinforced. Either way, seems like a lot of extra work so I'll try to just collect parts locally and move at my turtle pace.

I got a buddy with another pair of e46 rear calipers I might pick up soon. I might go ahead with the hydraulic hand brake setup (secondary caliper) since I actually have a majority of the parts needed - including everything to rebuild the calipers, and all the adapters needed for a secondary caliper setup. I've had to keep readjusting the parking brake, and it's just not holding up or grabbing how I like it.



I ended up ripping out the ugly catch can setup, and installed the new-used boot. Hopefully I'll be able to take this thing out sometime soon and have more updates here soon. I've got the itch to pick back up on this thing!!

[Tisoc]

yeah, I decided to list it up, not in any kind of rush either..I've just been too busy to wrench on it or really enjoy it! You interested? ;D

If I didn’t have An s52 car, id be all over it. The a/c alone would make me jump ship if I had the means, lol.