Man wounds robber, then shoots him 5 more times, murder or self defense?

[CorvallisBMW]

"...the teenager was unconscious, unarmed, lying on his back and posing no threat when Ersland fired what the medical examiner said were the fatal shots."

That's as clear-cut a definition of cold-blooded murder as you can get. Glad to see the guy got what he deserved.

[scabzzzz]

I wonder what would have happened if this guy was in TN/AL/GA?

[Kershaw]

those extra 5 shots were pretty excessive. as shown by the courts. this is not a war zone. you have the right to defend yourself. but he was clearly not in any danger anymore.

what he should have done is killed the robber on the first shot. or kept shooting immediately after.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Put any poster in that man's shoes trying to make it through a day at work and having your life on the line and see what they'd do. I bet in the midst of the adrenaline rush, half of them would try to topple the nearby soda machine on the guys head to make sure he doesn't get up and pull the trigger again. Even while knowing they just sunk one in his dome.

[Emre]

...Ersland was justified in shooting 16-year-old Antwun Parker once in the head, but not in firing the additional shots into his belly.

This.

If the man's life was in danger, he only protected himself by shooting the robber. If the robber was already running away, well, that's not self-defense anymore...

That will depend on the state. I'm not familiar with Oklahoma law, but some states will allow you to use lethal force in order to stop a felony (e.g., armed robbery), even if there's no immanent threat of death or grave bodily injury.

In other words, he was definitely justified in shooting Robber-A in the head. Depending on state law, he may have been justified in going after Robber-B, even if he was fleeing. But he was absolutely not justified in returning to Robber-A to "finish him off." The law is very clear on the matter.

[Redfox]

One, I'm probably going to sound racist, and I don't care, because I am. There is a difference between blacks and ******s. There is a difference between spics and hispanics. There is a difference between white people and white trash.

The biggest problem with this whole thing, is that if these robbers were 18 or older, I'm sure no one would be suing anybody. Once you decide to put your big boy pants on and go pull a gun on innocent people in a store bringing a gun, you already put your life, the pharmacists life, and all the innocent peoples lives you passed to get to the store, as well as everyone in the store, in danger. The gun could go off at any wrong moment. Sure, the kid didn't have a weapon out in the open, but did the pharmacist know that? One less "******" in the world, one less person who probably sold drugs, did drugs, robbed, and had the "THE WHITES DID THIS TO ME" mentality so they think they are fucking entitled to everything and anything. If two white teens had done this, there would be no one suing. Unlike the ghetto hood lowlifes who believe nothing is their fault, its always somebody elses fault, I'm sure a middle class white family would be ashamed of their son's actions and though upset, would not sue. I don't even think a hispanic family would sue either. I went to high school with a 80% of the people being ghetto black. There were guns at school, they bragged how they just stole the little white geeks cell phone out of his back pack, or his nintendo ds, or whatever, and would sell it for drug cash later. They were praised by the ghetto black girls and the rest of the other ghetto males, for robbing places, for selling drugs, for stealing food out of the gas station across the street. "Dat cracka aint gon miss it!" Experiencing that shit first hand for 4 years completely changed my thoughts and opinions on certain groups of people. The kid put his big boy pants on knowing they were bringing a gun, knowing they were putting their lives as well as others at risk, and they didn't give a shit. It's a shame the one with the gun didn't get shot, because I assume the kid without the gun is just trying to fit in with the scum he grew up around and felt he had no other choice. The kid with the gun won't turn his life around. He will get a tattoo of his friends name somewhere on his body, tell the world how the cracker killed his best friend, and alll the rest of the group of shit he hangs out with or is family with will agree and continue to feel they are entitled to everything and anything. How do I know this? I experienced it first hand. Being the white girl I'd just do my work in class and sit quiet and they would go on and on about how white people think they are the best and they "ain't gotta do shit the govmant gon pay fo me man!" meanwhile already having 2 kids with 2 different girls. Our school was so bad we had a fucking day care for all the pregnant girls. The guy, no matter what his age be, got what he deserved. If his parents didn't pull the black entitlement card and had set a good example of what to be and what to do with his life, I guarentee you this wouldn't be an issue today. Children become a product of their environment. What they see the first 5 years of their life leaves a huge impact on what and how they will be.

I apologize for being so blunt and cold, but I have no sympathy for any of the people involved in the robbing/shooting. Even if the two robbers were white I would have absolutely no sympathy. You have to imagine, what if your mother, father, wives, sisters, girlfriends, brothers, etc were in that store and they were behind the counter? What if they were just standing right next to them and somehow the gun went off and killed them? It's one less low life in society. That's just my take on it.

[scabzzzz]

Your racism is seriously turning me on right now Sparkles...

[Redfox]

Your racism is seriously turning me on right now Sparkles...

Well that's probably one of the strangest turn ons i've ever heard. To each their own I guess.

[AE_m20]

Uh...black people were treated like dog shit for a couple hundred years in this country and were up until a few decades ago. I'm pretty sure theyre pretty entitled

[joshh]

Uh...black people were treated like dog shit for a couple hundred years in this country and were up until a few decades ago. I'm pretty sure theyre pretty entitled

And we need to make things unfair for whites to "even" things out? Sounds awfully equal to me.

[joshh]

It's a lose lose situation. You kill the guy you get fucked...you maim the fucker and he sues you....welcome to the new America.

[Redfox]

And we need to make things unfair for whites to "even" things out? Sounds awfully equal to me.

+1

Not to make this an entire racial issue, but the ancestors of Africans actually enslaved their own people and sold them. We first purchased them off their own people, and the the whole thing got taken advantage of. I think they should be grateful to be in a country like this, I mean if it's so bad I'd like to see how long they last in Africa.

[mrsleeve]

Uh...black people were treated like dog shit for a couple hundred years in this country and were up until a few decades ago. I'm pretty sure theyre pretty entitled

this is the mentality that is wrong. Even DR King him self would be appalled by this statement

You are aware that the 1st slave owner in the Colonies was a BLACK MAN, and it was a legal precedent that got the whole slavery thing going. Next after the civil war freed slaves had a choice, Free boat ride back to the mother land, or 40ac 10 bucks and a mule. Most took the latter, they are entitled to NOTHING in the modern age. God I hate the public school system


But again this thread is not a RACIAL issue this is a self defense and castle law issue.

[AE_m20]

What's so unfair? If it wasn't for things like equal opportunity black people probably still wouldn't be getting jobs. There's a reason why Jobs such as postal workers are prodominaty black, because none of the ignorant business owners would hire them.

I won't continue this debate only because it's all a matter of opinion I guess. And yours are obviously wrong :p

[z31maniac]

What's so unfair? If it wasn't for things like equal opportunity black people probably still wouldn't be getting jobs. There's a reason why Jobs such as postal workers are prodominaty black, because none of the ignorant business owners would hire them.

I won't continue this debate only because it's all a matter of opinion I guess. And yours are obviously wrong :p

You realize that a lot of times AA causes qualified people to not get a job, to someone less qualified to meet a quota.

You really think that's the right way to approach it?

It's institutionalizing racism, but you're dense you can't see it. It's basically saying, no matter what you do, without me (the dems) you'll never get a job, you will never be equal, so you need this special treatment. As opposed to "work hard, get an education and you will succeed."