Armenian=European?

[bmw325csi]

ottoman turks just wanted our land, like any other Empire, they needed to expand

[Farbin Kaiber]

sik flo playa.

[bmw325csi]

oops!

[archie]

It's obvious you have not been to Zankou Chicken.

It's obvious that you dont know I'm a hairy Armenian either.
And two,believe me I know about Zankou Chicken but no way in hell does it compare to my moms cooking.

Shant

[bmw325csi]

mmmm my mom makes the best lamajun and tolma.

[Alkasquawlik]

It's obvious you have not been to Zankou Chicken.

I have.
That place is good.

[Emre]

Turks don't even recognize the genocide today and will have all sort of interpretations.

That has been changing. Turks object to the word "genocide" with its modern implications. Modern Turks do, of course, admit that the Ottomans killed huge numbers of Armenian subjects. The question is whether the modern concept of genocide is the most appropriate way to describe it.

If you read Middle Eastern history, you would see that there is a lively debate on the subject and there are good arguments to be made in either case.

Turkey will only recognize the genocide if it allows them to enter EEC. Indeed, a few Turks (hi Emre) on the forum will tell it was not a genocide or that it wasn't based on religion or social classes. Which is obviously not the Armenians' point of view from. ;-)

I don't recall saying it was or wasn't a genocide. In fact, I'm one of the Turks that feels it was...so you're barking up the wrong tree, Lee.

Clearly, huge numbers of people were killed (whether you call it genoicde or not). The only point I'm making is that religion wasn't a significant issue. Again, virtually all historians agree on this point.

The primary issue was nationalism, and there were other economic and political reasons behind what happened. But to suggest that the Armenians were killed simply because they were Christian is pretty silly and reflects a lacks of understanding about what was going on in the region at the time.

BTW I had/have many, many Armenian friends, and as far as I recall, they always said "genocide", not "evaporation of people"... ;-)

The important thing is that people were killed. Calling it a genocide doesn't change that fact. Pretending that these people were killed for their religious beliefs is simply wrong.

Besides, you seem to be forgetting (or perhaps you never knew?) that Muslims were in the minority during Ottoman times. The great majority of Ottoman subjects were non-Muslim, and almost of all the non-Muslims were Christian. Don't forget, the Balkans and the Eastern Mediterranean were considered the heart of the Ottoman Empire.

[archie]

I have.
That place is good.

That shit will put hair on your back!

[bmw325csi]

they are so stingy with their garlic paste nowadays though, it makes me mad

[ACMF74]

Lamajun, pasterma, dolma, keufdeh, chemen and my FAV of all time MONTAH w/ yourgurt

(of course my spelling need not apply)

[unkown]

Caucuses, isn't that the root word for Caucasian?
the Mormons have the most complete library of genealogy in the world

[selturk]

Lamajun, pasterma, dolma, keufdeh, chemen and my FAV of all time MONTAH w/ yourgurt

(of course my spelling need not apply)

let me help you out. Lahmacun, pastirma, dolma, kofte, cemen, and manti.
It's all Turkish food by the way and I can add many on the list..

[Farbin Kaiber]

It's obvious that you dont know I'm a hairy Armenian either.
And two,believe me I know about Zankou Chicken but no way in hell does it compare to my moms cooking.

Shant

I was not talking to you. I was talking to ACMF74 or whatever his name is.

[bmw325csi]

let me help you out. Lahmacun, pastirma, dolma, kofte, cemen, and manti.
It's all Turkish food by the way and I can add many on the list..

a "real Armenian" from Armenia pronounce's it: Basturma, tolma, lamajun and kufta

[ZM Blue Devil]

a "real Armenian" from Armenia pronounce's it: Basturma, tolma, lamajun and kufta

you say tomato I say tomoto... its all good.

This thread is making me hungry.

Who wants to meet up in Clifton/Paterson for some food this weekend?