Any Vegans on the board?

[u3b3rg33k]

You can eat bugs and whatnot without shooting a deer first. Just sayin'. And bugs ain't vegetables.

[2761377]

[quote=squidmaster;3151885]
As far as the hunter thing, I posted a link about it in a past post or something. I mean, humans weren't huge, predators with claws or a means of attack until the development of tools, which wasn't a long period between tools and stagnant agriculture. quote]

Bullshit. here's a small excerpt of an scholarly paper you should read. i guess you must be too young to have heard of Dr. Leakey.

notice also the idea of Neanderthal as 2.5 million years ago is corrected.

a link to the entire paper is provided below. oh, wait, only vegans have the brains/integrity to footnote their posts.

The oldest recognizable tools made by members of the family of man are simple stone choppers, such as those discovered at Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania. These tools may have been made over 1 million years ago by Australopithecus, ancestor of modern man



http://history-world.org/stone_age.htm

[HarryPotter]

I believe that's a WHO number. But it does seem VERY low.

In contrast, there is no need to eat meat 2-3 times a day for "protein." Especially considering all the fat/cholesterol that accompanies it.

Now instead of twice a day, I eat meat twice a week. So no "holier than thou" attitude here about it, you fucking douche HarryPotter.

lol fuck off :giggle:

[Thizzelle]

I eat meat & whey protien everyday to support myself. If you work out it's 1g of protien per pound of body weight. This stuff is also great for low carb diets.
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 30.4 grams
Calories 120
Caloried from Fat 10
Total Fat 1g
Saturated Fat 0.5g
Cholesterol 30mg
Total Carbohydrate 3g
Sugars 1g
Protein 24g
Sodium 60mg
** Percent Daily Value is based on a 2000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
† Daily Value not established

other thing to look at is this is based on a 2000 cal diet mine is in the 4000-5000 range. I need to eat son waffleswaffleswaffles.

[imsotyerred]

edit: In actuality, the goal is 0 carbs, and roughly a 1/1 ratio of fat/protein in grams (since 9cals/gram in fat and 4cals/gram in protein).

Yessir. I'm actually trying to cut down on my BF right now and I'm making steady losses. So far so good. Messed with me when I first tried it and the hardest part is literally getting enough fat in my daily macros. It's nice though when I can cook everything in butter and coconut oil and eat tons of cheese. I also do intermittent fasting every once in a while. Makes planning meals easy.

The easiest part though is bacon. :p

fuck the atkins diet or anything like it

[imsotyerred]

Wow, is that right? I never knew anyone wanting the fat macro to be the highest percentage. Mine is about 60/25/15 carbs/fats/protein, the few times I measured it. I'm more of an endurance athlete vs. the bodybuilding type. I find protein slows me down during exercise, so I eat the bulk of it at the end of the day.

fats and carbohydrates fuel your workout, protein should not, so you are just fine in getting your proteins after workout and, since you are not bodybuilding type, you're just fine at the levels you're at.

FYI, for general health your diet should be 45-65% CHO, 25-35% fats, 15-25% protein As stated in my nutri book

[u3b3rg33k]

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Fixed that for ya. those two look like a phantastik combo.

This^ I NEVER ever eat a meal without meat. I poop twice a day and take my assorted vitamins. Never do I feel pain when pooping, another 1+ for a shitty diet.

You probably do eat "too much" meat. I probably eat it in two meals a day, but not all four. geez, 50% more meat? you sound like a capitol one commercial.

I found a great solution to not liking store bought meat - we raise our own four legged bacon, lamb, and chicken.

OMG it's so delicious, you don't know what you're missing. The first time I ate home grown pork I asked how it had been prepared, and the answer was "i threw it in a pan and turned it on". that's what happens when meat eats real food, instead of animal feed / all corn. there's so much flavor it's amazing. Even the eggs taste (and look) better.

F34R, not everyone is allergic to dairy. most people of Nordic decent have no trouble with it. I consume around 3 pints of whole milk per day.

RobertK, Last I checked, humans fit quite well into the omnivore category. (http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm "There are a number of popular myths about vegetarianism that have no scientific basis in fact. One of these myths is that man is naturally a vegetarian because our bodies resemble plant eaters, not carnivores. In fact we are omnivores, capable of either eating meat or plant foods. The following addresses the unscientific theory of man being only a plant eater.") A "well balanced" diet would consist of fruits, nuts, vegetables, some grains, and a bit of meat here and there.

When I told my doctor about my meat intake (he asked), he looked a little concerned, ran bloodwork, and told me to keep doing whatever it is I'm doing when the numbers came back.


I'm not opposed to other people eating vegan food. In fact, lots of it looks (and is) delicious: I've even eaten a few vegan, dairy free pizzas which were OK. Now the gluten free stuff - that's another matter entirely. On occasion, if we're making it at home, I'll take some, fry up some bacon, and wrap the bacon around the formerly vegan food. Best of both worlds.

[bastianshaw]

this^ and if you want to feel amazing cut fast food 100% out of your diet. I grab a fresh sub over fast food. Cost the same and i feel a better full.

Also how am i to pull off my diabolical laughs with a tofu? Bloody meats is a must in my life :evil:



You have no idea how gay you sound, does your wife tie your shoes too? Bet you jog and shit waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles.

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa

[drumad]

Wow, is that right? I never knew anyone wanting the fat macro to be the highest percentage. Mine is about 60/25/15 carbs/fats/protein, the few times I measured it. I'm more of an endurance athlete vs. the bodybuilding type. I find protein slows me down during exercise, so I eat the bulk of it at the end of the day.

edit: In actuality, the goal is 0 carbs, and roughly a 1/1 ratio of fat/protein in grams (since 9cals/gram in fat and 4cals/gram in protein).

Yessir. I'm actually trying to cut down on my BF right now and I'm making steady losses. So far so good. Messed with me when I first tried it and the hardest part is literally getting enough fat in my daily macros. It's nice though when I can cook everything in butter and coconut oil and eat tons of cheese. I also do intermittent fasting every once in a while. Makes planning meals easy.

The easiest part though is bacon. :p

[herbivor]

I eat meat two to three times a day. Helps me maintain my 65/30/5 fat/protein/carb macros. I love this diet since I get to always eat high fiber vegs, which are my absolute favorite.

/ketotroll

Wow, is that right? I never knew anyone wanting the fat macro to be the highest percentage. Mine is about 60/25/15 carbs/fats/protein, the few times I measured it. I'm more of an endurance athlete vs. the bodybuilding type. I find protein slows me down during exercise, so I eat the bulk of it at the end of the day.

[drumad]

if you want more energy, cut wheat and wheat products completely from your diet for a week and watch your energy level and how clear your mind becomes

cut the carbs and increase the fat, endure the carb flu then see the energy you experience

[squidmaster]

how far back are you talking, then? You want to talk 30,000 years ago? sure. do you want to talk neanderthals (2.5mil years ago)? then no.

it said 5'9" in the middle ages....

[gwb72tii]

THIS along with watching Forks Over Knives, is making me wanna initiate the transition from meat eating yolo nigga, to a vegan hipster.
jk about the hipster part, but seriously. I think I will taper off with red meats first and see how it feels. If I'm feeling fresh as f*ck subsequently, I will continue to cut out the rest. I'm 19, 6'2" & 175 lbs with a too-fast-for-my-own-good metabolism, but my energy is always pretty low.. I think this is due to my over-consumption of meats. ya?

if you want more energy, cut wheat and wheat products completely from your diet for a week and watch your energy level and how clear your mind becomes

[priapism]

Haven't been pompous to anyone, I'm not the one calling everyone ignorant.

I said "ancient man", that article only goes back two milennia. I said 5.4 in the middle ages, the article you posted said 5.5. I ain't that far off.

Stupid argument here.

[squidmaster]

^Dude, it's cool. Try some Kombucha to chill the nerves. The truth is, nutritional science is still evolving as more and more studies are being performed. No one has all the answers to what is the perfect diet for humans. Whatever diet causes a physical stress response, whether it's the Atkins diet or a vegan diet, is probably one to avoid for that individual.

I shouldn't post right after I wake up.

Of course; each individual person is different and stems from different backgrounds. I'm not arguing that this choice is the end-all-100%-amazing diet. But I'm just refuting the comments that were made that were incorrect as research would have us believe.

As far as protein, this infographic is a quite informational graphic.

(it's big so I'll just link)

http://www.ethicalocean.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/11.09.01-veganism-debunked-infographic-01.png