Mercedes 190e??

[Mr. Tasty]

haha. guy is a douche.

[Emre]

Yes, but you can do that to a Dodge Neon too.

You said "the 16Vs aren't at all comparable to the M3." In stock form, the 16v was neutered in a way the M3 wasn't. My point is that if you bring both cars back up to the level that they were designed to be at, then they're very evenly matched.

I've got the FIA Group A homologation papers for both cars. That tells you how these cars were actually raced in the early days of DTM (and other European touring car series). Both the 16v and M3 need tons of mods to get close to their Group A versions...far more than, say, a Lancer Evolution VI RS--Tommi Makinen Edition.

No serious track junky would drive a bone stock M3. Do similar mods to both cars, and they're neck-and-neck.

The point is that a 2.3 16v isn't "ranked" as high in the Mercedes family as an M3 at BMWs.

I really don't understand what point you're trying to make.

[reelizmpro]

Emre, are you referring to the "Evo 2" 190 or did they campaign regular 2.5_16's ? EFI or mechanical? Any Evo 2 bodywork in your future?

What's funny is...the original poster asked about 190's in general. He probably had the 190D, 2.3 and 2.6 in mind for his girl and here we are arguing about 2.3_16's, Evo's and M3's lol. He did say she wanted a manual trans and likes to go fast. I must say, the 190 doesn't sound like the car for her...unless it's a 2.3_16.

[Snitch]

Emre, are you referring to the "Evo 2" 190 or did they campaign regular 2.5_16's ? EFI or mechanical? Any Evo 2 bodywork in your future?

What's funny is...the original poster asked about 190's in general. He probably had the 190D, 2.3 and 2.6 in mind for his girl and here we are arguing about 2.3_16's, Evo's and M3's lol. He did say she wanted a manual trans and likes to go fast. I must say, the 190 doesn't sound like the car for her...unless it's a 2.3_16.

Unless its a 2.3-16v it wont be fast... No argument there but he did link a 16V in the thread he was looking at..

Wouldnt recommend EVO 2 Work unless it is Orginal DTM EVO 2.. FEVO gap is ugly. Id go EVO1 if you do any work.

[tjts1]

This thread would be so much easier on the eyes with out Snitch around.

[FLYNAVY]

Unless its a 2.3-16v it wont be fast... No argument there but he did link a 16V in the thread he was looking at..

Wouldnt recommend EVO 2 Work unless it is Orginal DTM EVO 2.. FEVO gap is ugly. Id go EVO1 if you do any work.

Agreed. Most people don't do the mods to the wheel well required to allow for suspension and wheel/tire combos that fill the arches out. Even the best ones still have this normally.

[singh336]

The 190-16v is not comparable to the E30 M3 in what way? Horsepower and a stiffer suspension?
Nothing a Turbo or coil overs couldn't change

Its the people like you that piss me off. Do you not understand BMW and Mercedes have different clients?

so first you compare both cars saying with coilovers and a turbo they would be evenly matched

then you say "people like you" that piss you off because they don't understand bmw and Mercedes have two different clients

basically you're mad because people are doing what you're doing and that is comparing the two and no recognizing that they are built for two audiences rather than the same


and you fit yourself right into the young arrogant teen that you claim bmw builds their cars for

[Snitch]

so first you compare both cars saying with coilovers and a turbo they would be evenly matched

then you say "people like you" that piss you off because they don't understand bmw and Mercedes have two different clients

basically you're mad because people are doing what you're doing and that is comparing the two and no recognizing that they are built for two audiences rather than the same


and you fit yourself right into the young arrogant teen that you claim bmw builds their cars for

Right, so I said Mercedes and BMW have different clients and they build cars to spec for them, plus how can you say that one car is better than the other if its made for two different audiences?, and my argument was how is the BMW a better car if the only difference is better handling stock when you only drive it on the street? Are you racing on the streets in a stock car? Are you racing on the track in a stock car?? lol no... So you would probably buy coils, strut brace and what not. The BMW comes better handling stock but it doesn't handle better if the MBZ has the same aftermarket suspension.

Oh I know they are built for 2 different audiences. But explain why the BMW is a better car please? Mercedes has a history of R&D that shits on every competitor out there.

[Fusion]

What the hell is that supposed to mean. The 190 was known as Mercedes best car ever made... and the 2.3-16v, how is it not ranked as high? What fucking ranking system are you going off of? No shit you could mod a Dodge Neon... It would also out perform a E90 M3.

The 190-16v is not comparable to the E30 M3 in what way? Horsepower and a stiffer suspension?
Nothing a Turbo or coil overs couldn't change

Its the people like you that piss me off. Do you not understand BMW and Mercedes have different clients? BMW designs their cars to be sporty for the arrogant teenage mid 20's asshole while Mercedes has luxury and class and markets more towards older and comfort seeking clients. But wait, the BMW handles better so its a better car. Hold on lets fucking think for a second.... Your driving on the street with pedestrians and traffic, what should you do? Be a bad ass and think your Nico Rosberg in your F1 Car and drive like a dumb ass? Point being, who fucking cares if it handles better your driving on the fucking road. The difference is so minimal that you would only notice it on a track which NO ONE WILL EVER TAKE STOCK CARS TO (unless your an idiot.)

Typical BMW owners. Now please say something in response so I can tear your asshole again.

Got sand on your clit?
Read again

The 190/E30 comparison is a absurd. Though tight competitors on the DTM track, production cars each had their own territory. The (later) AMG cars were and still are a luxury business vehicle that can be fun, the ///M cars are fun and can be used as a luxury business vehicle.

I'm not saying either e30 or 190 is better and I wrote solely about (owner) unmodified cars.
The "rank" I refer to is 2.3 16V - 2.5 Evo - 2.5 Evo 2.
I own both a Mercedes and a BMW.

And even if I was saying the e30 is better, this is an e30 forum, so quit being a butthurt Mercedes girl.

[Snitch]

No I think you have sand on your clit, because you can never be wrong. No wonder you have 2,253 posts... get your ass off your computer and do something with your life. Maybe you were not saying the E30 is better than the 190, most of the people here are, so my post are to the crowd. I think maybe your bit because im the only one on here that sets BMW lovers in their places. IDGAF if you own a MBZ and BMW why the fuck would I trust that you know what your talking about? Your just some fag DIY at home worker with your china made tools and 5,000 page manuals you look through just to change spark plugs. My family owns a BMW and MBZ repair shop so im 100% sure I have access to a fuck load information that you have or this forum cant offer. So please take the condom out of your ass and realize your not god and neither is your E30.

[Fusion]

Never was there a better situation for this picture



A 15 year old trolling badass the 190rev community doesn't care about, to be exact.

[Mr. Tasty]

i would love to find a manual 190e. all are fucking auto... SMH

[Snitch]

i would love to find a manual 190e. all are fucking auto... SMH

ya they are very hard to find, but thats the fun of it! took me over a year to find my manual 190, but it was well worth it.

[euroshark]

Having driven both I will say that the 190e feels a lot less fun and sporty. I've got nothing against them though. I'd gladly take one or a W124 as a daily driver. It would take a lot more money and work to make one fast compared to what can be done on the cheap with an E30.

[JA1991]

lol this formed turned into some good laughs. I'm still looking around for a Cosworth for her. I might talk her into getting something else seeing as how it's super hard to find any kind of 190e worth looking at let alone a nice cosworth