Computer thread!!!

[Nesset]

They soldered the ram to the mobo? Haha

The RAM actually sits on a removable, and really easily accessible PCB board. It's a really neat system.

I will admit, soldering RAM or a CPU to the motherboard of ANYTHING is a scumbag move, and Apple isn't the only company to do it. How do you like your Mac Pro James?

Been toying with the idea of getting a new motherboard and RAM instead. I currently have some Free-Bee Asus motherboard, that doesn't detect more than .5 gigs of ram. It's a micro ATX form factor too so, it looks very goofy in my fulltower case. Running a FM2+ 3.8ghz squad core on internal graphics. I have an old Geforce 9800GTX+ I'm going to put into it... Eventually.

Going to buy either an Asus or MSI board, Full ATX with 16 gigs of Corsair Vengeance 2100 ram. Getting tired of 3.5 gigs of ram when I have 8 installed...

[Massimo]

I still don't understand why everyone thinks Apple has the best support either.

With my HP I have removable ram, can run two internal SSD's if I want, its an Ultrabook and light as ever, it does not dent if I drop it (I'd rather have a small chip/crack versus a dent) and best of all?

If it has an issue, I call HP and they COME TO ME.. I can be sitting at home, waiting for them to show up, versus standing in line with idiots who cannot figure out how to install instagram.

The apple genius thing is a joke when it comes to support.. hell I had a coworker spend 4 hours at the Apple Store trying to get his macbook fixed.. why? because they were booked up for a week already with appointments.

Apple can go F itself :)

And before anyone says I'm anti apple.. I've had an ibook G3 (which had 3 logicboard replacements before they told me to take a hike), Powerbook G4 (which had a faulty superdrive that worked maybe 50% of the time, yet passed apple diag so they refused to replace it), Dual 2.7 G5 (that I paid damn well 3800 bucks for, only to have it completely die one year after the warranty thanks to faulty watercooling.

I am typing this (to be fair) on a Mac Pro which I've upgraded the CPU/Memory/Video in.. why? because it came from eBay for 800 bucks and runs Windows 10 like a champ (Yep, I even removed OSX completely)

They've gotten my money, never...again...period

As a HP Employee.

Thanks.

[James Crivellone]

Its still a crappy practice IMO, plenty of other companies get away with thinner laptops with soldered ram.

I still don't understand why everyone thinks Apple has the best support either.

With my HP I have removable ram, can run two internal SSD's if I want, its an Ultrabook and light as ever, it does not dent if I drop it (I'd rather have a small chip/crack versus a dent) and best of all?

If it has an issue, I call HP and they COME TO ME.. I can be sitting at home, waiting for them to show up, versus standing in line with idiots who cannot figure out how to install instagram.

The apple genius thing is a joke when it comes to support.. hell I had a coworker spend 4 hours at the Apple Store trying to get his macbook fixed.. why? because they were booked up for a week already with appointments.

Apple can go F itself :)

And before anyone says I'm anti apple.. I've had an ibook G3 (which had 3 logicboard replacements before they told me to take a hike), Powerbook G4 (which had a faulty superdrive that worked maybe 50% of the time, yet passed apple diag so they refused to replace it), Dual 2.7 G5 (that I paid damn well 3800 bucks for, only to have it completely die one year after the warranty thanks to faulty watercooling.

I am typing this (to be fair) on a Mac Pro which I've upgraded the CPU/Memory/Video in.. why? because it came from eBay for 800 bucks and runs Windows 10 like a champ (Yep, I even removed OSX completely)

They've gotten my money, never...again...period

[Wschnitz]

Its still a crappy practice IMO, plenty of other companies get away with thinner laptops without soldered ram.

[R3Z3N]

As I stated, it's because it allows a thinner profile, also less to go wrong. It's not about preventing customers from upgrades. Either way, buy your Apple laptop as you want it, because the only upgrade is the SSD IF available, which the lastest models have no upgrade path yet, except when buying at stock pricing from Apple which is almost 4 figures at times.

I find Apple laptops in the last 8 years immensely easy to fix, but then again I am trained to do it, fixing between 5-8 computers a day, software and hardware along with managing my location. After 7 years though, used parts is the only way to go as I can't order from Apple after, 6 in all other States beside CA.

When working on most other MFG laptops, it reminds me of Apples design 8+ years ago with the silverkeys, too many cables that must be routed. Don't have this inconvenience on Apples desktops or laptops for a long time.

Trying to fix a myriad of PCs is a convoluted and desperate process I find. Apple has the service process down pat. iOS fixes on the other hand, I am not having fun with that yet.

Either way, I am a fan of what pays the bills for my customers, whether it be Win, Mac or any other variant.

[Cephas]

No, no Apple desktops have RAM soldered to the MOBO.

Macbook Airs and all Retina laptops have the RAM soldered to the MOBO as that lets Apple design a thinner desktop. It's becoming more common for ultralight laptops, makes for easy repairs too: just swap mobo, maybe 30 min including ordering process through Apples service site.

Swapping RAM on a laptop takes 5 minutes at most and is loads cheaper than a full MOBO. IMO Apple does this because they dont want anyone to be able to upgrade their stuff unless they buy new...

[R3Z3N]

They soldered the ram to the mobo? Haha

No, no Apple desktops have RAM soldered to the MOBO.

Macbook Airs and all Retina laptops have the RAM soldered to the MOBO as that lets Apple design a thinner desktop. It's becoming more common for ultralight laptops, makes for easy repairs too: just swap mobo, maybe 30 min including ordering process through Apples service site.

[James Crivellone]

I have quite a few computers at the house, however the one I mainly use is my desktop.. its old, but its quick, does the job and as I'm not a gamer, its amazing how much value you can get

2009 Mac Pro 4,1 with OSX Removed, Windows 10 Pro Installed
1TB Samsung 850 EVO SSD
16GB DDR3
Xeon WS5580 Processor
Radeon 5870 1GB
GeForce 9500GT 512M

Running 3 Viewsonic 24inch 1080P LCD's

My Laptop is new however

HP ZBook 14inch
Core I7 4600-U
1920x1080p
FireMV 1GB Graphics
250GB SSD
16GB DDR3
Windows 10 Pro
Verizon LTE Integrated WWAN

The rest of the house is a range of

Core I3 Machine for the overhead audio
Xeon E3 for the server
Core I7 in the bedroom
Core I5 for the HTPC
Core I7 for my spare desktop 27inch AIW ASUS
Core I5 on my roommates Z220 HP Workstation

Umm, Core 2Duo for the 3D Printer

[lambo]

They soldered the eam to the mobo? Haha

That's common Apple practice.

[Cephas]

Oh, Id never buy one of those unless its just the shell to make a hackintosh. I believe those are the desktops that have the RAM soldered to the motherboard, so actually not any expand-ability.

Even if its not the one with the RAM soldered to the board its not worth it. The point of apple is for a nice laptop, not for a desktop that is usually outperformed by a PC desktop half the price.

They soldered the ram to the mobo? Haha

[Wschnitz]

Oh, Id never buy one of those unless its just the shell to make a hackintosh. I believe those are the desktops that have the RAM soldered to the motherboard, so actually not any expand-ability.

Even if its not the one with the RAM soldered to the board its not worth it. The point of apple is for a nice laptop, not for a desktop that is usually outperformed by a PC desktop half the price.

[Nesset]

Only if you're not going to pay something stupid for the macbook is it fine. A PC option would be like a 1-3 year old HP Elitebook in my opinion. The 1 year old HP Elitebook G2's my college hands out work fine for just about everything.

I actually was meaning this... I wouldn't want an Apple notebook. Not much expand-ability. And I like working on my own machines. The idea of two six core processors and that much ram is pretty intriguing to me.

[Wschnitz]

Preparing for roast.

I was thinking about buying an older Mac Pro... Pretty killer specs for the money to be honest.

Only if you're not going to pay something stupid for the macbook is it fine. A PC option would be like a 1-3 year old HP Elitebook in my opinion. The 1 year old HP Elitebook G2's my college hands out work fine for just about everything.

[Nesset]

Preparing for roast.

I was thinking about buying an older Mac Pro... Pretty killer specs for the money to be honest.

[Wschnitz]

If your looking for suggestions: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-313-_-Product

Its the one I have, the same one a friend got after telling me the 1ms, 144hz was a gimmick.