Nonsense Thread

[MrBurgundy]

Yeah, cars def peaked early 2000s.

e46/e39 was the pinnacle of BMW.

I absolutely love my e39.

[roguetoaster]

Think that's a key point. Just give me a car, I don't need a crazy tech package.

These aren't supercars, you don't need traction control, stability control. And don't get me started on lane keep assist etc.

While I agree on lane keep and would add crash avoidance as unnecessary stuff, I can call out the E39s ASC as a shining example of getting it right. Blind spot warning is also nice on modern blind spot mobiles, but like all tech it seems to be a case of now that it's here we can abandon basic principles like actually looking in a mirror, or heaven forbid, adjusting it to see outside rather than inside.

But since it's here it all needs to be built with the assumption that the driver can do the thing they are doing, not catering to careless morons.

OTOH, every piece of crap that's installed on a car makes it more expensive to repair when crashed, which indirectly costs us all in insurance, so screw it, no cupholders, radio deletes for all, and wheels that only just clear the calipers.

[Panici]

Nothing to "turn off"

Think that's a key point. Just give me a car, I don't need a crazy tech package.

These aren't supercars, you don't need traction control, stability control. And don't get me started on lane keep assist etc.

[2mAn]

I think vehicles in general peaked in the early '00 models.

Where the enthusiast offerings were still a "driver's car" and motorcycles didn't have electronics beyond fuel injection.

To be clear I'm not talking about outright performance, because obviously a modern vehicle is better in every way.
But I don't really care about that tbh, it's more about how it feels to the rider/driver.

Sure there are exceptions to the rule with modern cars like the GT3 RS still offered with a manual, but those are toys attainable only for the rich.

Theres a point in the mid 00s where the cars became too overridden by tech. Its honestly one of the reasons why I love my 996 so much. Its Drive by cable. There is no traction control at all. Nothing to "turn off" ... Theres nothing. Yet it has nice A/C, power steering and can take my kid around in the back, relatively safely. Its a perfect car for me to keep, long- term and its also now my only car. It will have to do everything.

[DEV0 E30]

This was similar to what was on the Carmudgeon podcast recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLtIFxj3U38