Nonsense Thread

[Jaabo]

Without getting too political, because of how poor they are as a solution to a problem, I think the EV push is coming from the same place as the push for urbanization and reliance on public transportation, making having a car more expensive and less practical is a good way to move many people away from being able to have one.

Yeah, that's kinda what european solution was pretty much, a lot of their cities are mostly public transport and stuff like bikes. Not sure if it's the right way, but it kinda worked for them I guess

[varg]

I firmly believe that synthetic fuels will be the way forward, and will save ICE. It's not vaporware tech, Porsche are investing big money into production.

I agree that they are a better way forward, but the legislators have their eye on EVs, and that is enough to make me think it's unrealistic to expect fuel-based solutions to be anything more than a flash in the pan. It doesn't matter how much sense something makes, if the legislators make EVs the "solution" by force of law, that's what we get. EVs are a problem on so many levels, especially considering the total lack of will to build more nuclear power plants and instead to rely on asinine things like solar farms and wind turbines for large scale power generation, and the fact that EVs are bad for lower income people and totally impractical for those who live in apartments or have street parking. Without getting too political, because of how poor they are as a solution to a problem, I think the EV push is coming from the same place as the push for urbanization and reliance on public transportation, making having a car more expensive and less practical is a good way to move many people away from being able to have one.

[roguetoaster]

I firmly believe that synthetic fuels will be the way forward, and will save ICE. It's not vaporware tech, Porsche are investing big money into production.

It's a good way forward for heavy industry and shipping services since they can possibly exploit the sort of net zero emissions of the system. They can also pass the higher cost on to the end consumer, and they have more than enough demand to cause the production to scale. However, I sort of expect combustion powered personal vehicles to get legislated off of the roadways before those fuels can do us much good.

[econti]

I firmly believe that synthetic fuels will be the way forward, and will save ICE. It's not vaporware tech, Porsche are investing big money into production.

[varg]

And what's the difference between an MHD/BM3 tune on an n55 vs some aftermarket controller flash for an EV? Especially in a future where companies use the same components and either upsell or charge a subscription for unlocking increased performance.

How technical do you want to get? It's very different. AC motor control is nothing like increasing boost pressure and injector pulsewidths, you're actually passing more current, and are limited by the motor, controller hardware and the battery.

For what it's worth, it's not going to make economic sense once the production runs get larger to put significantly overbuilt motors and controllers in cars that don't need them so just you can charge some of your customers for a performance increase. That would be economically like putting detuned B58s in 330is so you could charge some people for the M340i tune. Current models are still early mass production EVs, they're going to have to optimize designs more heavily as massive demand increases drive up the prices of essential battery and motor components such as lithium and neodymium. Bigger magnets, and heavier windings, higher capacity batteries, are unlike just putting rods and pistons that are beefier than absolutely needed in a production engine that turns out to be very tunable (think side by side comparison of M50 internals vs M54 internals) or injectors that happen to have some unneeded overhead flow capacity because the hole and pintle/plunger are bigger. That's much more excess material and manufacturing cost than a little more steel in the rod forgings or a little more AL in the piston crown, when you put a 300kW motor in a car that is to be sold with 200kW and simply power limit it with software.