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  • slammin.e28
    שמע ישראל
    • May 2010
    • 12054

    #1

    Intellectual engine questionnnnn...

    So, piston driven internal combustion engine.

    The question:

    The piston, at TDC or BDC, we can all agree it reverses direction, from up to down, or from down to up, right?

    Now, in the reversing of that direction, does the piston STOP, then go the opposite direction.

    Or by some black magic does it continue in motion in some uncanny oblong circle?






    Or, aliens?
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  • travish325
    Banned
    • Jun 2012
    • 1151

    #2
    Yes it stops, if only for a millionth of a second, But other pistons are at different points so you wont notice it.

    Can you go in reverse in your car while driving foward without stopping first?

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    • slammin.e28
      שמע ישראל
      • May 2010
      • 12054

      #3
      I have heard arguments for it continuing in motion, from engine builders, etc.

      I'm like whuut?
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      • Wh33lhop
        R3V OG
        • Feb 2009
        • 11705

        #4
        Theoretically it stops, in practice it will tilt a little bit at the top/bottom of the stroke. It "remains in motion" because it's connected to the crank that remains in motion and it can only be stopped for an instant. But the piston itself stops.
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        • AndrewBird
          The Mad Scientist
          • Oct 2003
          • 11892

          #5
          Well, it doesn't pause if that is what you are asking. It is at the top (or bottom) of the stroke the same amount of time it is in every other position throughout its stroke. While it might seem like it is stopping, it is still technically moving, just to a very small degree.

          Edit: To add further, it stops going one direction then instantly moves in the opposite, with no gap in time, No pause like I referred to earlier.

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          • LJ851
            R3V OG
            • Nov 2010
            • 7918

            #6
            I've built a lot of engines and i think it stops. When you are finding absolute TDC when degreeing cams you can watch it stall momentarily, the crank turns and the dial indicator (on the piston) remains fixed. This is one of advantages of long rods, it increases the dwell time at TDC.
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            Originally posted by slammin.e28
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            • Wh33lhop
              R3V OG
              • Feb 2009
              • 11705

              #7
              Originally posted by NitroRustlerDriver
              Well, it doesn't pause if that is what you are asking. It is at the top (or bottom) of the stroke the same amount of time it is in every other position throughout its stroke. While it might seem like it is stopping, it is still technically moving, just to a very small degree.

              Edit: To add further, it stops going one direction then instantly moves in the opposite, with no gap in time, No pause like I referred to earlier.
              If you are defining "stopping" to have zero vertical velocity then it stops. Just not for any period of time.
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              • F34R
                sLaughter
                • May 2009
                • 12390

                #8
                I always believed the piston came to a hanging point that was cycled by the other pistons in motion.
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                • LJ851
                  R3V OG
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7918

                  #9
                  Originally posted by F34R
                  I always believed the piston came to a hanging point that was cycled by the other pistons in motion.

                  How does that apply to single cylinder engines?
                  Lorin


                  Originally posted by slammin.e28
                  The M30 is God's engine.

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                  • gtdragon980
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 1808

                    #10
                    Shit, I got confused by the way you meant reverses direction. Now I get it. In that case, I voted wrong, I would say it stops for a fraction of a second, since the rod has to move from one side to the other, which then it pivots underneath before the crank begins to pull it back down.

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                    • reelizmpro
                      R3V OG
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 9438

                      #11
                      Well if you run in a given direction, you don't just reverse in the opposite direction without stopping momentarily. In the case of the piston, they may be including the circular swing of the force on the piston but the piston is kept pretty straight by the cylinder walls/rings with only a very very small gap in between but it still has to "stop" momentarily.
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                      • ADlBOO
                        Grease Monkey
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 335

                        #12
                        Originally posted by LJ851
                        How does that apply to single cylinder engines?
                        Single cylinder engines have counter weighted crank shafts that provide the momentum.
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                        • F34R
                          sLaughter
                          • May 2009
                          • 12390

                          #13
                          Originally posted by LJ851
                          How does that apply to single cylinder engines?
                          Momentum created from combustion continues rotation is my best guess. So with the other pistons in multi cylinder engines it allows more hp generated from more pistons forcing rotation?

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                          • LJ851
                            R3V OG
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7918

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ADlBOO
                            Single cylinder engines have counter weighted crank shafts that provide the momentum.

                            Thats what flywheels are for.

                            The counter weighted cranks (on all engines that need them) is to achieve a balance factor for smooth running in a given rpm range.
                            Lorin


                            Originally posted by slammin.e28
                            The M30 is God's engine.

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                            • slammin.e28
                              שמע ישראל
                              • May 2010
                              • 12054

                              #15
                              Okay, for clarification, let's say it's an M30 (tee hee). Multiple cylinders.
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