Let's talk about work place ethics I.E Time clock fraud

[E30HV]

This absolutely terrible internal control. There should be a clear separation of duties so an employee can't change his time without payroll knowing about it. Like wise payroll should be 'audited' by accounting or HR so that you can't embezzle money like this. I don't see why payroll can't cut him off.

The fact that the owners/CEO don't care makes me question the legitimacy of the business, or your story. It's either blatant unabashed nepotism, or a bull shit story. I can't see payroll or an accountant just let it slide unless they are getting handys from the owner under the table.



If the owner doesn't want to fire him he doesn't have to fire him. If the owner wants to give him a raise he can give him a raise. The employee handbook can be thrown out the window whenever the owner wants. It's not an employment contract.

true.....i remember being told "you get paid to do what you were hire to do!! not to monitor what people do thats not your job" so i took grampas advice "your job is what pays the bills. take care of your job and don't worry about everybody else or you'll go crazy!

[mr.vang]

Email one of your local news station about the situation. If they're interested, he'll be out even before the station could even air it. Something like Call Kurtis from CBS Sacramento.

[Massimo]

Fuck if you did that here me or my manager would not have any problem firing you, in fact if this guy was working for me I probably would have sacked him long ago.

I would walk out on a business that can not take them self's seriously, not only would I walk out I would arrange a meeting the highest person I could, in which I would high light my concerns and exactly why I am leaving.

End of the day if they can not organize them self's and grow some balls to fire people when necessary then they are not going to last long anyway.

[Nick_S]

This absolutely terrible internal control. There should be a clear separation of duties so an employee can't change his time without payroll knowing about it. Like wise payroll should be 'audited' by accounting or HR so that you can't embezzle money like this. I don't see why payroll can't cut him off.

The fact that the owners/CEO don't care makes me question the legitimacy of the business, or your story. It's either blatant unabashed nepotism, or a bull shit story. I can't see payroll or an accountant just let it slide unless they are getting handys from the owner under the table.



If the owner doesn't want to fire him he doesn't have to fire him. If the owner wants to give him a raise he can give him a raise. The employee handbook can be thrown out the window whenever the owner wants. It's not an employment contract.

It's a small company and this guy was their first employee who has deep roots with the presidents family. After being here 8 months there is alot of questionable activities that go on. Our accountant had questioned the legitimacy of his hours to me before, she's brought it up to management and they basically tell her take care of her own business. After bringing up issue with the owners a few times I have just stopped until this happened...but at this point I'm over it. I promise this story isn't BS however I'm not going to post photo's or company emails on here...just yet. This place is f-ed.

[Massimo]

something tells me that scuzzbutt is friends with someone in upper management or on the executive level... or went to school with them or something. that's the only explanation i can think of.

welcome to corporate 'Murica!

This should not matter I have sacked friends because they are unable to perform. Its not personal and if they are unable to understand this then they clearly are not management material.

[Massimo]

It's a small company and this guy was their first employee who has deep roots with the presidents family. After being here 8 months there is alot of questionable activities that go on. Our accountant had questioned the legitimacy of his hours to me before, she's brought it up to management and they basically tell her take care of her own business. After bringing up issue with the owners a few times I have just stopped until this happened...but at this point I'm over it. I promise this story isn't BS however I'm not going to post photo's or company emails on here...just yet. This place is f-ed.

What you need is not evidence of him screwing the company, you need data on how you can make the business run so much better. What needs to happen is he needs to go on a long holiday where you can take over and show how much smooth you can make the business run, and save them money.

[AndrewBird]

This happened recently at work:

http://koin.com/2015/02/27/police-former-leatherman-employee-steals-817-items/

From what I heard, he stole enough for it to be considered a felony. He's going to jail for a while.

THAT is how you take care of situations like this.

[tak7]

Sounds like a completely toxic workplace.

This

and don't stoop to there level.

[Navarone]

Let's talk about work place ethics I.E Time clock fraud

If it's not some huge company where innocent people are getting ripped off, (grandma, the infirm), and management knows what's going on, then just say fuck it. If you're worried then make sure you have your reports and their responses as backup so you have no liability.

[gte175x]

No offence - don't waste your time, just mind your business. And if you feel you have reached your end and it's not a comfortable workplace for you. leave....don't bring it on as someone else's fault. No one likes a taddle tale, even if you are right...no good can come from it. Make your decision - stay or move on. You'll be happier you've made a decision to control your life, not a decision to control others (that never works)

[Stanley Rockafella]

How old are you OP? I aks this because clearly you do not have much experience in the workplace.

Once you get older you'll realize that despite your best efforts, some things just wont work out for you in you favor (such as this situation).

Either GTFO or STFU. You are not the boss, just a whiney little tattle tale who pesters upper management.

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[AbeSonic]

Hey OP you mentioned you guys used a online system for clocking in and out. Back at my old job I discovered I could clock in and out using my smartphone. That's an angle you could work on

[UlrichFennec]

This happened recently at work:

http://koin.com/2015/02/27/police-former-leatherman-employee-steals-817-items/

From what I heard, he stole enough for it to be considered a felony. He's going to jail for a while.

THAT is how you take care of situations like this.

The hell is wrong with that guy? What ever happened to working hard to get the things you want instead of stealing?

[Nick_S]

What you need is not evidence of him screwing the company, you need data on how you can make the business run so much better. What needs to happen is he needs to go on a long holiday where you can take over and show how much smooth you can make the business run, and save them money.

Been there tried that. He left for two weeks around the holidays and for two weeks, every single order went out on time, the warehouse was cleaned like it never had been and morale was high. I brought my manager in to show him the difference and he was shocked, however once this guy was back, he had his way again. I'm over it. I've said my piece and tried to do what I felt was right and it's not happening. Will be cutting my loses and moving on.

How old are you OP? I aks this because clearly you do not have much experience in the workplace.

Once you get older you'll realize that despite your best efforts, some things just wont work out for you in you favor (such as this situation).

Either GTFO or STFU. You are not the boss, just a whiney little tattle tale who pesters upper management.

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Despite your massively condescending tone, I do agree with the gist of your post. I'm 29 and have been managing warehouses for the last 6 years and had a fortunate run at pretty much only have jobs at companies who valued integrity and honesty so I suppose it's a bit naive to think that something like this should be left alone since it's not my business. However, since the issue had been brought to my attention by our accounting/payroll person sometime ago, and since numerous others feel this guy is massively under qualified, I felt it needed to be brought up. However, all it's done is show myself and some others the priorities of the company so I suppose the silver lining is finding out now rather than later. I'd already been considering looking else where and this has solidified that.

[eur04lif3]

It's a small company and this guy was their first employee who has deep roots with the presidents family. After being here 8 months there is alot of questionable activities that go on. Our accountant had questioned the legitimacy of his hours to me before, she's brought it up to management and they basically tell her take care of her own business. After bringing up issue with the owners a few times I have just stopped until this happened...but at this point I'm over it. I promise this story isn't BS however I'm not going to post photo's or company emails on here...just yet. This place is f-ed.

Yeah, sounds like hes sucking someones dick for sure, and you are just getting a bullshit run around the political game.

If I were you, i'd look elsewhere. That's one of the down sides to a small mom-n-pop companies.