Gun Thread

[Mediumrarechicken]

Well the guy is a army veteran and was the cheif of police here locally for around 10 years, he told me many stories of officers and there Glocks going off in there car seats. Definitely turned me away from them?

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Wow, that guy is a dumbass. He sold you a gun that if you carry it cocked and locked can be more likely to have a AD than the glock, is heavier and holds less rounds. If a cop has a glock go bang in their car they had the gun out and their finger on the trigger.


Check out a cz p10c, it's a fantastic poly pistol.

Call that gun store and tell him hes an idiot.

[R3Z3N]

Got a few emails from online vendors starting to ship normal capacity mags to the prison state of CA!

[Sonny]

A lot of good information in this post. I am not going to beat a dead horse so will not get into the Glock comments, but the 1911 platform is ideal in a full-size configuration and .45, and deviation will degrade reliability, sub-compacts are the most notorious in this regard.



I love the 1911, I choose to compete with it in IDPA for the added challenge (when compared to a modern high-capacity 9mm service pistol), I also like the high service intervals (because I like to tinker), but it is all about nostalgia and I absolutely acknowledge that it is outdated and an irrational choice for a pistol in this day and age. If i was going to bug out and only grab one pistol, it would be my Gen 5 Glock 19.



If you want to dive into the 1911, here's a great article from Hilton Yam, who made a name for himself in the 1911 realm, which he left for Glocks IIRC.

http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/Choosing-a-1911-for-Duty-Use.html

Pic of my current 1911 rig for the range (along with a phenomenal CZ which forced a 5k 9mm 1911 out the door)

Nice nice! I've come to like my RIA but now I'm having doubts about it, should I trade up for a full size ?

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

[Sonny]

Thank you for the recommendations.
I picked the 1911 only because when I visited the gun range , I was handed a 1911 that shot so smoothly. To my surprise the man said it's been here rented out in the range since they opened up in the 1940's



Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

[eternal24k]

Whatever your next purchase is, I would be trading in that 1911 towards it. A 3.5” .45 is not an ideal first handgun platform...

A lot of good information in this post. I am not going to beat a dead horse so will not get into the Glock comments, but the 1911 platform is ideal in a full-size configuration and .45, and deviation will degrade reliability, sub-compacts are the most notorious in this regard.

I love the 1911, I choose to compete with it in IDPA for the added challenge (when compared to a modern high-capacity 9mm service pistol), I also like the low service intervals (because I like to tinker), but it is all about nostalgia and I absolutely acknowledge that it is outdated and an irrational choice for a pistol in this day and age. If i was going to bug out and only grab one pistol, it would be my Gen 5 Glock 19.

If you want to dive into the 1911, here's a great article from Hilton Yam, who made a name for himself in the 1911 realm, which he left for Glocks IIRC.
http://www.10-8performance.com/pages...-Duty-Use.html

Pic of my current 1911 rig for the range (along with a phenomenal CZ which forced a 5k 9mm 1911 out the door)

[naplesE30]

Made my first visit to a gun broker, he convinced me away from Glocks due to there safety and pointed me to a Rock Island 1911 With a 3.5" barrel.

it's not the finest or smoothest, but I love it. Lots of oil and she is amazing.

What should my next purchase be? I'm looking to stay under $500 if possible and I'm not sure if I should get 9mm or another .45, what are your preferences?

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Whatever your next purchase is, I would be trading in that 1911 towards it. A 3.5” .45 is not an ideal first handgun platform. Your best bet is to find a friend or friends, or rent and shoot some different pistols for feel and recoil. A 9mm is a good caliber to start out with. Your .45 in 3.5” barrel is a lot of gun, especially for a beginner. I would avoid any gun shop that points you to a specific gun, instead of giving you several like models in specific caliber. (Glock, XD, M&P, VP9) avoid the guy who says this specific gun is what you want, he is preying on your lack of knowledge knowing you are new to shooting.

There are lots of valid reason to choose a different pistol over a Glock, but safety isn’t one of them. Every single firearm is dangerous, it’s up to the shooter to practice safety. In fact your 1911 in some ways is more likely to have a negligent discharge than a Glock. If you forget to engage the safety while holstering, it’s much more likely to have a accidental discharge with a 1911, where as the glocks trigger has a safety that always engages after you remove your finger from the trigger regardless of the user.

Did you express concern to the dealer over not having a traditional safety?

First you need to figure out what role you want the pistol for, before asking for recommendations. I would also recommend getting a decent .22 handgun to train with. I wish I had bought one sooner when I started out.

[varg]

A Glock 19 was my first handgun. Not a fan of it even if I am used to it. Never liked the trigger, it feels like crap. Never like the ergos, it doesn't point naturally or feel nice in my hand. It wasn't very expensive and it is reliable, that's about all it has. There are plenty of reasons to dislike glocks imo but they aren't unsafe or bad... they're just "meh" in all aspects. I don't think it's the grip angle that makes them awkward to point for a lot of people, the grip angle is close to that of a 1911 which is something just about nobody complains about when it comes to pointing naturally. The problem is how wide and thick the grip is, it doesn't taper at the top and doesn't fit nicely in average sized hands. Unless you have some hickok45 sized mitts you're unlikely to find it a comfortable and easy pointing gun.

[TeXJ]

I have a friend that is border patrol and he cant stand glocks. The grip angle throws him off. He grew up shooting 1911's so he is used to that grip.

My wife, doesn't like the angle either. She tried stock glocks up to highly modified glocks. Still didn't shoot as well as she did with the SIG or the M&P.

She now has a M&P.
I have a Glock, sr1911, p365...

I won the Glock in a raffle, never thought I'd own one. But I do like it. It's a gun that has a huge aftermarket support so that I can put my own little touch to it.

[mrsleeve]

there are plenty of reasons to not have a glock, most of them are down to personal preference and or individual ergonomics. I cont shoot a glock to save my own life, there is something about the grip angle and the over all feel that hampers my ability to shoot it accurately no matter how hard I have tried to get used to 1.

But yes no glock should be going off on your hip with STUPID things being done with it, (AKA OPERATOR ERROR) especially when in a proper holster, with retention and covered bang switch

Rock Island shit is just that SHIT....... FFS why on earth would you spend 600ish on RIA 1911 when you can spend 650 on a Springfield 1911 and put a couple hundred bucks in GOOD aftermarket parts and have a 2k dollar kimber equivalent for 900-1100 bucks but I digress

[Ryan...]

Well the guy is a army veteran and was the cheif of police here locally for around 10 years, he told me many stories of officers and there Glocks going off in there car seats. Definitely turned me away from them?

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

well that guy is an idiot. The only way that gun goes off is if you pull the trigger.

^^ Yep.

If you manage to shoot yourself with a Glock you're dumb enough to do it with any pistol.

Keep your finger off the trigger, use your brain, and you'll be OK.

There's a reason why most law enforcement agencies all use Glocks, or other striker fired pistols that have the same trigger setup as Glocks (aka no external safety); they're great guns.

I've put close to 20k rounds through various Glocks, carry one daily at work, and carry one in a concealed holster every day.


If that guy is telling you that you shouldn't have a Glock he's either being paid commission to sell that Rock Island, he's an idiot, or he doesn't trust you to be responsible with the firearm.

[Rob]

I am super interested to see how this plays out, and seriously wish you the best of luck! I'm behind enemy lines as well, although I guess the wall around my compound aren't as high as yours (yet)

So...If I understand this right, normal capacity magazines are legal in CA now. Here's to hoping my normal mags ship! The ones I lost while boating...I should go fishing now. BTW it is a very good read...long at 80+ pages. I forgot that to be part of a state militia, many states required a MINIMUM of ammo on the protector. A good reminder to those wanting gimped mags for general consumption.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...rnias-mag-ban/

[R3Z3N]

So...If I understand this right, normal capacity magazines are legal in CA now. Here's to hoping my normal mags ship! The ones I lost while boating...I should go fishing now. BTW it is a very good read...long at 80+ pages. I forgot that to be part of a state militia, many states required a MINIMUM of ammo on the protector. A good reminder to those wanting gimped mags for general consumption.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...rnias-mag-ban/

[Rob]

Well the guy is a army veteran and was the cheif of police here locally for around 10 years, he told me many stories of officers and there Glocks going off in there car seats. Definitely turned me away from them?

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Oh boy.....


Not to be cynical, but neither of those two classifications (vet or chief) are full stop qualifications for good pistol advice, especially if he suggested a 3.5" 1911, the cheapest out there for that matter, instead of a Glock.

If you said "He spent 10 years with 5th SF Group as an 18B" or "he was head of the departments SWAT team prior to being promoted to Chief,", that might be different, but I bet you a case of ammo if that was the case, his advice would be different.

Glocks, or any other of the current crop of striker-fired pistols are inherently just as safe as anything with an traditional external safety (* maybe not the FN40LS apparently though). Pull the trigger, it goes bang. You would be well served with anything that you like the feel of. Glock, Sig 320, H&K VP, Smith M&P, the list goes on. We are currently in the "good old days" of firearms, enjoy it. If you have the RIA and like, awesome! I would go for something full size in 9mm for a better range gun. I had a RIA like yours, and two Springfield 3.5" models. None of which were very much fun to me to put more than a few mags through.

FWIW - I love our vets (Grandfather is in Arlington, section 54 if you're curious; old man was Army Sgt during Vietnam), and our LEOs (even Ryan!). But just like anything else, there are subject matter experts out there, and those that think they are. Sorry for the rant, I just don't want to get piled on unnecessarily.

[TeXJ]

Well the guy is a army veteran and was the cheif of police here locally for around 10 years, he told me many stories of officers and there Glocks going off in there car seats. Definitely turned me away from them?

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

well that guy is an idiot. The only way that gun goes off is if you pull the trigger.

[Sonny]

Id find a new “broker” glocks don’t need a safety do to trigger design its impossible for them to go off unless trigger is actually pulled. FN has the same design you have to pull the trigger lock which released the trigger for it to pull and fire. Damn near impossible to do on accident.

Well the guy is a army veteran and was the cheif of police here locally for around 10 years, he told me many stories of officers and there Glocks going off in there car seats. Definitely turned me away from them?

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk